Do We Spend Too Much Time On Our Phones?

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In this episode Dan’s overdue purchase of a new phone sparks a discussion of the role and influence of our phones in our daily lives.

Key discussion points in this episode:

  • How we use our phones in our daily lives
  • What are the intentions behind the organisation of our home screens?
  • The way we utilise social media

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Subaan Qasim  00:14
and in this episode, Dan’s overdue purchase of a new phone sparks a discussion of the role and influence of our phones in our daily lives. Good afternoon, Dan.

Daniel Redfearn  00:26
How’s it going today?

Subaan Qasim  00:28
Not too bad.

Daniel Redfearn  00:29
Okay. So today, what I want to talk to you about is technology. I don’t think we’ve had, have we had an episode on technology,

Subaan Qasim  00:36
not specifically,

Daniel Redfearn  00:38
I think it’s a very common, like type of topic to talk about, especially now, I know, we don’t really fit into a specific genre of podcast. But like, sometimes we talk about productivity and things along those lines. Yeah, massive field these days. Yeah, we haven’t talked about tech yet. And as we were saying before, before we started recording, you consider yourself to be somewhat of a tech enthusiast. Is that fair to say?

Subaan Qasim  01:00
Yes.

Daniel Redfearn  01:01
Not an expert. Definitely not. We’re not saying expert was a enthusiast.

Subaan Qasim  01:04
It depends where you define expert. I mean, I’d like to be classified as an expert in technology, but I’m probably not, or at least not by my own standards. But yeah, enthusiast is probably a good term.

Daniel Redfearn  01:15
And, okay, there are a couple of reasons why I’ve thought about this recently. The first one is, I think it was actually in a recent episode, where I talked about that tweet of a woman who was working in the company since 1992. She has unlimited job security, but she can’t export PDF, and how these days if you’re not, if you’re not literate with technology, it can be a real problem. Yeah. And me realizing in the last few years that I’m, even though I’m so young, I’m already at a point where I’m worried that my like, understanding of technology and my ability to navigate around technology is a bit outdated very slightly, for example, when recently we’ve been learning about crypto, you’ve been reading a lot about it, and you’ve been telling me about it. Yeah. Me realizing, damn, that could be the future. And I don’t really understand it very well, or, for example, coding programming, getting more and more important, I can see everyday, even in medicine, like how important it is thinking, you know, am I already getting? Is it going to be a time in 10 years where just kids can just program? And I just kind of missed that slightly? What do you think, first of all that,

Subaan Qasim  02:19
I mean, I think it is going to be the future where you have most kids being able to prove most is probably a bit strong, but a lot, a lot more than we currently have. Because it was very niche. Really. That’s it because it is pretty niche right now. But it’s like when the iPhone came out touchscreen smartphones were pretty niche. Now everyone has one true, so it’s likely to expand in the same way. And it’s just becoming more and more important, like you said, even in fields like medicine, coding, programming, that kind of stuff is just gonna become really important. And then stuff like cryptocurrencies are based on blockchain technology that has so many use cases that could solve a lot of problems. Obviously, it has its own inefficiencies and problems with within itself that need to kind of be solved. But there’s a huge scope, and it can literally change the world.

Daniel Redfearn  03:08
And it’s very likely in the next few years that it’s going to get bigger, the scale of which is going to get bigger is debatable, but I mean, because right now, crypto is not really we don’t want to work crypto. crypto is not really used as it apart from like, knology

Subaan Qasim  03:21
the Yeah, so that’s one of the arguments against Bitcoin or any cryptocurrencies is that it harbors malicious activity or, and stuff and those kind of purchases, like weapons or black market, that kind of stuff. Whereas, you know, drug deals, and all of that happen with normal cash as well. But there are some use cases of it being used in just normal supply, I think, I don’t know, I think there was a small state in America or some country where you can literally just go to the ATM, and you can literally withdraw your Bitcoin or get converted into cash. Just take it. And, you know, Musk says that he is going to allow buying Tesla’s and the cars and just the products via Bitcoin directly soon enough, so it’s changing pretty quick.

Daniel Redfearn  04:08
I mean, yeah, there’s all the more reason to just at least get a basic understanding of it. Right. Yeah, definitely. And so the thing that sort of accelerated this thinking is that, well, you know, about my phone, right, like, yeah, and so I’ve had my phone for, not even that long, maybe three and a half years, I had it. And I had the old iPhone SE. So it’s kind of in the old casing of the iPhone five. And it was just people got to a point in the last year where people have just been seriously telling me to get a new phone.

Subaan Qasim  04:37
Yeah, first it was a meme. And then it just kind of became quite serious. Yeah.

Daniel Redfearn  04:40
Because it was really funny. My phone would genuinely it would die. After about 30 seconds of screen time when I was outside.

Subaan Qasim  04:48
And this isn’t an exaggeration, that would actually happen

Daniel Redfearn  04:51
constantly. So I guess the battery just ran out.

Subaan Qasim  04:55
I don’t know how it works. I know it’s lithium lithium ion batteries. I guess you Use a fast charger Don’t you know, I don’t know what I thought you do learn. Okay, other maybe you dropped a few times just cracked the battery, it’s just a bit messed up and obviously degraded pretty quickly, the rate at which it degraded was far quicker than I suppose it is a smaller battery as well. But I was pretty surprised by how quickly it degraded. But it’s been like three years. But you started having problems like a year and a half in did yeah, the

Daniel Redfearn  05:22
biggest problem was when I was in the cold.

Subaan Qasim  05:25
Yeah, you see, that’s not normal. Like, obviously batteries obviously don’t perform so well in the colon, any phone or any kind of battery in the cold. Yeah, that’s, that’s not normal. So it must have been so degraded in some kind of way or potentially just damaged lies, obviously, when you do not open an app, and is the sender short of current open up the app and whatnot. So it’s just failing to supply that power. So we’ll just shut off.

Daniel Redfearn  05:47
That’s what would happen. Like I’d go, I’d go like, Oh, I got 10 seconds to make the call and then turn the screen off. But as soon as I’d open up the phone app, it will just

Subaan Qasim  05:53
do remember about this whole Apple battery geek thing? Yes. Where they purposely reduce the power of the CPUs and older phones, and they will Oh my God, they are forcing us to go to the light to the upgrade to the new phone, spend more money and whatnot. There was actually they were trying to make the experience of you using your old phone more reliable and more joyous and or just more seamless in that sense. Because if they didn’t reduce the power, then when the CPU or processor would just ask for a lot of power, the battery wouldn’t be able to supply it and then it either really lag or freeze or just shut off. Which is far worse than just having it slightly slower that you can barely even tell. So that’s why they did that was all due to the battery.

Daniel Redfearn  06:36
Yeah, I mean, it I didn’t I didn’t actually know that. But I didn’t know about the people the conspiracy. Yeah. But I didn’t I didn’t think it was any conspiracy with me at all. I just thought, I don’t know I’ve ever used it. And it’s got really old and I was just dragging it out. So that why don’t I really it kind of just became a bit of a challenge. Anyway, I

Subaan Qasim  06:52
guess locked down help with that. It didn’t really matter too much that you can just stay plugged in all day.

Daniel Redfearn  06:56
So yeah, that’s what I’ll do is like it’d be like a PC. Like, I’ll just have my phone all day plugged in. And I’ll go to the bar from whatever, I wouldn’t use it or come back to my room. Just check every now and again. I haven’t got any new messages and stuff. I like how the example you use was going to the bathroom. Yeah,

Subaan Qasim  07:10
cuz I you know, I go to Tesco. I just go to the bathroom to use

Daniel Redfearn  07:14
during lockdown. I wasn’t really going many places. But yeah, so I ended up getting a couple of days ago, one of the newer iPhones the iPhone 11. And I didn’t expect it to change. Even though it’s been two or three days, and unexpected to change my life as much as it has so far.

Subaan Qasim  07:33
I literally told you I was gonna change your life. You didn’t

Daniel Redfearn  07:35
you said those words. Yeah. So basically, the amount of screen time was about 15 minutes a day on my old phone. And now, like just in the last two days, it’s gone up to five and a half hours.

Subaan Qasim  07:44
Yeah. Yeah, I guess there’s a novel aspect of it. Obviously, new phone, there’s so many new settings and everything.

Daniel Redfearn  07:50
Yeah, also opening like down like downloading thing, making sure everything’s set up properly. That did take a few hours. But at the same time, also just the entertainment aspect on it. Like, it’s unreal how quick it is how easy it is to us. And it made me think about. So this is the main reason for the episode today, reflecting on the fact that I spend a lot of my waking hours on technology, especially when I’m not going to uni, especially these days as well. And it’s I mean, this isn’t groundbreaking, but it’s really obvious that you should be able to, or that you should be optimizing your experience on technology, because that can save you so much. And it can you can literally gain so much from doing that these days. So I want to ask you a few questions about how you do it personally not that you’re coming from a point of view of being an expert. You know, you’re just an enthusiast, but just like the sharing ideas, if that’s right, I’m curious to see how you do and also because yeah, I’m just getting started with my phone, even the way I realized the way I set up my phone now with the apps, the folders, the accessibility of it will change my experience quite drastically, because I’m spending so much time on it. So yeah, you don’t mind that?

Subaan Qasim  08:53
Know? What what aspects specifically do you want me to start off with?

Daniel Redfearn  08:57
We could talk about maybe social media, okay. And the way you arrange your social media on your phone?

Subaan Qasim  09:03
Yeah. So since iOS 14 came that did change the way I do things a lot in terms of organizing my homescreen. Obviously, when I came from Android to iPhone, back with the iPhone six, the most annoying thing that I had was, I couldn’t properly arrange the stuff on my phone that was in an app library. So I need an iOS 14 done up library came. And that changed a lot in how I organize certain things with social media. So in terms of how I organized on my home screen on my main home screen, the first page, which is pretty much the only one I use, I only really have one home screen. I don’t have any social media on there, apart from Twitter. And then WhatsApp if you count that under social media. Everything else is just other apps that I need to use daily texts on the I have, you know, photo apps, that kind of stuff Anki all of that sits on my first page.

Daniel Redfearn  09:55
Do you have any folders? No. Okay, so each app is just the

Subaan Qasim  10:00
Because everything on my homepage is very intentional, I don’t want any resistance of having to go into an app, just take that extra second extra click right because in that time,

Daniel Redfearn  10:09
you mean going to the phone,

Subaan Qasim  10:10
going into a folder, just that slight time, if I’m just in a rush or something just came to mind, I can just open my phone and just forget what I’m doing. Especially before when I used to have like Instagram, Snapchat, or that on my homepage as well, because just the natural tendency to just open that up, and then I forgot why even what enter my phone. So one, I don’t have any of those social media apps, which can just drain all of your time on my home screen, okay, apart from YouTube, but I’ll get into how I use social media in a bit. Everything else is in the app drawer, which is actually three pages away because I have a page of widgets. And then I have like an just a page, which only has one app, that is my smart bulb up. So sometimes I need to use it, I really only need to use it like twice in a day. So it’s just a and that is a plausible resistance to even go into that. So now nowadays I forget about going on since Instagram and those apps LinkedIn and stuff, because even their algorithm on LinkedIn man, it can get you hooked sometimes like all of them with these algorithms. But

Daniel Redfearn  11:08
on LinkedIn is where I see people with really impressive like, profiles.

Subaan Qasim  11:11
Yeah, you just go and I’m still young. Wow, I have all these. Yeah, yeah, started fangirling them. But yeah, in terms of the way I’ve arranged, it is very intentional. And all of those big time things are just as far as far away as possible and has a high amount of resistance for it. The second thing is, because I have custom icons, you can just do this in the settings anyway, with iOS 14, you could also do custom icons, one, I did it so it suits my aesthetic, and it’s just nice to look at. But the other thing is that you don’t get any notification, you know, the numbers on the apps, you can turn that off anyway, just with the normal icons. This is like Forster, so I just can’t see that. So again, he doesn’t force me to click into an app if there is a notification or messages waiting for me.

Daniel Redfearn  11:56
I mean, which we spoke about this in one of the earliest episodes where you and I prefer to have Do Not Disturb mode.

Subaan Qasim  12:02
So I also have Do Not Disturb mode on all the time. And my sis was actually asked me, Why do you always have it on? Well, the main reason is that, I want to check my phone, when I need to check my phone, I want to decide when I need a piece of information, or I need to check my messages. I don’t want anything just telling me Oh, you have a message, check your phone. Now, I don’t want that I want to be in control. Because even if I’m doing a task, and I’m, you know, in some kind of deep focus mode, if I just hit that thing from the other side of my room, it’s just gonna break you out. And especially if you’re in a group chats, or if you’re a very popular person, you can get a lot for a certain period of time, or just emails coming up. And 99.9% of the time, they aren’t time critical that you can leave it for a couple of hours and come back to it later. Or sometimes I’ll just keep it for a whole day if it’s definitely not time critical thing. So yeah, I generally don’t really tend to have many emergencies my life. Isn’t that interesting, unfortunately. So yeah, I guess I’m in a privileged position to be able to just say that, yeah, I can just turn off notifications for everything, the only thing I have that can come through a cause. So and usually those would be emergencies, usually is just my mom calling me to make sure I’ve eaten dinner. But that’s about it.

Daniel Redfearn  13:12
And then how about the amount of time you spend on each social media platform? Do you put a lot of time into them? Because I, for example, I spend quite a lot of time on Reddit, but I don’t mind spending I never feel like I’m I do sometimes. But I don’t usually feel like I’m wasting time. Usually I actually go there for a reason. So one thing I do is like I go, I use I interact with sport a lot on Reddit, the sports I’ve read, it’s a really good in my opinion, especially the forums where you can just discuss with people. Yeah, and I also use it for some uni things and some language things. And yeah, I don’t know, I don’t really feel like I’m wasting time. Whereas I do feel like I’m wasting time when I’m on Instagram, for example. Okay, I was going through stories. That’s my absolute mindless like, yeah,

Subaan Qasim  13:47
yeah, I don’t really tend to go through many stories. So the way I’d use social media is YouTube is the main one, if you count as a social media, I suppose it’s not really. But it’s a form of social media base, he’s got an algorithm. So it’s a form of social media. So YouTube is the main one that I think most of my time on, either on the computer or on my phone. YouTube definitely, by far has the most amount of screen time from me. But again, the way I use it is just for education, I’m always learning on there, you’ve seen my social feed is pretty diverse, you know, quite proud of it on YouTube. And most of it is just very insight this should very interesting stuff that’s very fun to learn about. I don’t really watch any gaming channels apart from one style or one League of Legends, pure entertainment, pure entertainment, if you know television, you know what I’m saying. But apart from that, just that one video a day bipolar one. All of its just educational or stuff like that. I don’t really know how to describe it, even though it might be out of my domain of expertise or medicine and stuff. I like just learning a bit about everything and I’ll go down rabbit holes and if I spent like three hours just learning about something because something just came up and I just kept going down that rabbit hole. I don’t really mind I I enjoy it and I find it and I would actually cause it’s productive for me. Because you know, as long as I have the time to do it, but even when I don’t really have the time to do it, I still do. And how do you curate it? Oh, that’s, that’s a good question. I’ll get back to that in a second, I do want to quickly continue on to Instagram, because Instagram can be quite useful. Although it can also be a very, very big time sink, because you just keep scrolling forever. And then you’ve got stories, and then you’ve got reels, and then you’ve got all of that. That’s why I just didn’t really go on to Instagram, the app that much I might go on it. Once in the evening, or something, usually, Facebook, I go on, like once a week, LinkedIn, or go on like, once a month, or something very rare, because I don’t really have any use cases for them, really, they’re just kind of sitting there. Sometimes they’re useful. Sometimes they’re not. Any other social media Tick tock, I don’t use Snapchat, I don’t use a cell on my phone, I don’t really use it to do that. That’s in terms of how I actually use it all my social media use for education, or learning in some kind of way, just because that’s what I just find most enjoyable. If I’m just sitting there watching lifestyle, vloggers and stuff, nothing against them. I just don’t find it interesting, or I don’t get any use out of it, really. So I’ll just kind of, I just can’t be bothered to do that. So Twitter is the only answer. Like I said, Twitter is the only thing I have on my home screen. And that’s probably the social media, the people social media that I spend the most time on, on Twitter going up and down it.

Daniel Redfearn  16:27
I really like Twitter, by the way.

Subaan Qasim  16:28
Yeah. And again, it comes down to how you curate, it can be a big time sink, which is memes and stuff, which part of my Twitter is like that. But you know, that actually is sometimes low key educational, and I’ll get, I’ll get a hold of the news. Through means a lot of the time, especially when it comes in the finance world and stuff. That man those those means, too good. So yeah, but apart from that I follow a lot of people that I find interesting and learn a lot from in all sorts of field, whether it be technology, medicine, all all fields of medicine, productivity, self help gurus, all of that stuff, all of them. But um, yeah, when it comes to the YouTube feed in the question you said about curating stuff, I guess, obviously started somewhere, I don’t know where it started. But, and at some point, I would have just probably wasted time watching random, you know, cat videos is the classic example. But I’ve just always been using the internet to learn. So I’d always be like how to x y Zed On YouTube, how to do this, or x, y, z, I don’t search like that anymore because of hack the algorithm basically, in terms of finding stuff out in the search, or, you know, using SEO terms. But I just curated by, when I’m interested in a topic, and I start searching for videos, and I want to go down that rabbit hole or something spotted, then I’ll do on my, I have two YouTube accounts I’ll do on my main YouTube account, because I wanted to start feeding this stuff to me normally would. And the main, my main YouTube account is the one I’m also signed in on my phone. So I can just view that content anywhere. And also, because I’m starting to learn about a new thing, and I’m watching the videos. If I need to learn something, I’ll just search it and open the first like 10 videos and just spam watching. Obviously, then the algorithms like oh my god, someone wants to watch all of these videos, and always start pumping loads and the best ones to me. And I’ll just watch them slowly. And that’s how I can learn so much about a new topic quite quickly. And that’s

Daniel Redfearn  18:19
it. I had a watch obsession phase in about August. And it took about two days for my entire home YouTube home bit to be recommendations for Yeah, yeah, I thought it’s really funny. And then recently, as you know, I’ve been into chess, it didn’t take long for like half of my of my homepage to just be chess recommendations. So I do that as well. 100%. And if I’m going to watch something that I don’t want being part of my algorithm, a good example, is cooking videos. Yeah, just I feel like that’s something that the algorithm quite quickly picks up on and starts feeding me because they’re so popular. Yeah. So whenever I watch a cooking video I do on incognito. Yeah, I don’t want the algorithm to start sending me cooking videos, I don’t really want to know.

Subaan Qasim  18:58
Yeah, so you can use incognito and it won’t mess up your algorithm, but then it won’t get saved anywhere. So if there’s an off topic that I just need to learn about quickly, but I don’t want to really go too deep, or I don’t have the time to. But I still want YouTube to do its bit and like give me all the information in the most efficient way. That’s when I go into my second account and start searching that stuff. If it’s just a small thing I need to just do in the day. And I’ll just start going through that. And what will literally do is I’ll watch a couple of videos. And I’ll just refresh my homepage. A few other recommendations will come up. Yeah, and I’ll watch those videos and then refresh my homepage again, and just do it in like batches of three to five. And I’ll just learn really quickly. But then all that time. And all of that YouTube watching doesn’t mess up my main account. So I can go back to and just go back to normal after a couple of days spree that I need to just hyper focus on to that little thing.

Daniel Redfearn  19:42
And you can do that on Instagram as well, for example. So that’s something I do on Instagram is I like you know, on the Explore page. I like the Explore page being about sport, because they’re often like quite cool debates and stuff on it. And so yeah, sometimes I go through my Instagram and deliberately look for the tennis and football pages and like they’re gone. The ones who I follow. And I always make sure to do that, because then I want them to keep feeding it to me, you know, and I think that’s something that I’ve only become more aware of in the last year or two. As far as I know, our algorithms have gotten a lot better over time as well, haven’t they? So,

Subaan Qasim  20:13
yeah, learning how we function and what we like to consume. Yeah.

Daniel Redfearn  20:18
On Yeah, specifically on social media is what I’m thinking of. I mean, yeah, I don’t know. Like, the YouTube is the one big the biggest one for me. And then the other one that I wanted to know about for you was Twitter. The way you interact with Twitter, you know, when you’re on the homepage, yeah. Is that where you’re spending most of your time on Twitter? Like the homepage? The people you follow? What are the pages? Because as the, you know, on the search page, oh, yeah, it was trending. And sometimes I’ve never gone that never really see you don’t see what like,

Subaan Qasim  20:44
Yeah, I don’t really care. Because, well, yeah, I don’t know, I don’t really care what’s going on. It’s usually just a lot of like fear, uncertainty and doubt, basically, just all this random news, things going off. Because I’m quite diverse in the people I follow to a certain extent, is still fairly concentrated, that news will get trickle to me by people that I trust, and we digest it for me first, in a certain way. And then if it’s something that’s seemingly profound, then I’ll go do my research. Now, when it came to the whole GameStop thing I first found out about on Twitter, I just kind of woke up to hold on to I was like, What the hell is going on? And then I went through and search for it, because honestly, there was just a lot of memes going through and random information.

Daniel Redfearn  21:22
So this is what I wanted to ask you is a follow on from exactly what we’re talking about now. Which is the way you get news off of social media. Because I think that you know, you know, the famous A wise man once said, I’m joking, he was not a wise man. Was that a fake news? And then coined that term, and how easy it is, obviously, to consume fake news. Would you say that the primary source of news for you is Twitter, because that’s what I use it for is what was you know what I just talked about going on the search thing. The reason why I’m on my homepage is on Twitter is usually about more and more about uni, and also about sport, on the Explore page, or wherever it’s called the search page. That’s where I will see what’s going on in the news. So if something has just happened, like it’s a it’s a sad example, remember the explosion in Beirut? August? Yeah, I remember that. The only source of information I used to read about it was Twitter, I went straight on Twitter, because I knew there’d be people from the city tweeting about the videos would be from there. To understand what was going on. People were doing live videos, like just explaining what happened. And that’s what I really liked about that aspect of Twitter that I use. And it’s so much quicker to get to, for example, then on Facebook, well, I don’t know how you could do that on Facebook or YouTube as well, because you have to upload the video or there’s YouTube Live, but I mean, yeah, basically, for me, I think Twitter is the best place for that. So I was wondering, where do you get your news from? Do you go on like a news app? Do you use Twitter?

Subaan Qasim  22:45
Yeah, just quickly about YouTube. On my homepage, I have that weird thing is just a video of Sky News videos. Again, that was pretty irritating. But yeah, I learn about most things, new things that have happened in the world on Twitter, that’s usually the first place that I’ll see anything, either, it’s the quickest way. So it’s, you’ll probably see it before he even comes onto the news. I’ve heard that a few times. But usually I just say away from news, I don’t actively go out and search for news. Because most of the time, things that you get in the news are usually just negative things. Because something that catches on it utilizes our fair system to just make us better all man I need to keep reading about to learn because the more informed you are you feel, the safer you feel, right? It’s a natural human instinct. So that’s how they kind of hijack with all these headlines and stuff. And Mettaton, I don’t really care because they don’t really affect me in many ways. And those headlines that do affect me, then I will go and search about them myself. Most of the news on kind of I’ve curated on Twitter, like I said before, is diverse enough that I will just kind of learn about any new major things that have happened. And actually even the minor things that don’t get put on to the mainstream media, which is actually that’s the kind of stuff I like more really. And the second thing is, I guess, news about say, new articles that have come out, like I was saying there was a new COVID paper about you know, lock downs and stuff. And I was reading it. I found about found out about it on on Twitter, because one of the, you know, physicians or epidemiologists, I was following tweeted, I was okay, let me have a read of it. So that’s how I find that information. I’m not subscribed to each and I don’t just get notifications all the time, I want to minimize the amount of notifications I get. So when I am actively new searching mood or information, absorbing mode, I want it to be curated or concentrated or at least controlled to a certain extent. So I want to I get enough exposure to algorithms and stuff on the Instagram on Instagram and YouTube. I want to minimize on Twitter, at least to a certain extent.

Daniel Redfearn  24:53
Okay, so that makes sense. I think we’re in a fairly similar page there. But there’s one more thing Want to know, that’s about your use of the internet on your phone? So, wait, that’s not the right way to word the use of the browser? Because Yeah, obviously, on like your laptop, you need to go on each separate website, whereas all those big websites, apps, however sometimes you need to use also why is there no like, like pagas Wikipedia app? That would be really good. Just an observation. Wikipedia up. Yeah.

Subaan Qasim  25:24
Is that one Wikipedia up? I don’t know. I’ve never think there is a Wikipedia up.

Daniel Redfearn  25:29
Let me check. Oh, no.

Subaan Qasim  25:31
You’ve made a fool of yourself. There’s a Wikipedia up. Yeah, I’m surprised you don’t know about that. One. I would have thought you’d have the Wikipedia app on your phone. Your Life has just changed again. new phone. You have?

Daniel Redfearn  25:44
No But the thing is, I don’t believe in it. Let me see. Let me see. I’m downloading as we speak.

Subaan Qasim  25:48
There’s even wiki how your wiki Howard’s up? Even better.

Daniel Redfearn  25:53
No one uses it. Okay, I want to know, Oh, my gosh, it is really good. to clutter up real good. Yeah, okay. Sorry. I got a bit sidetracked. So the last question was just about the browser. Because, yeah, just freely using the internet. I only really do on my laptop. And yeah, on my, because my old phone obviously was terrible. Now I find that I’m doing that more. Do you think it’s worth doing that on a different browser to Safari? Or is it like completely optimized?

Subaan Qasim  26:21
Yeah, Safari works just really well on iPhone. And if you have a Mac, yeah. However, I use brave on my computer. If so most of time, I do all my internet browsing and stuff on my computer, if if I’ve, you know quick access to it. If not, then I don’t have my phone. And that’s fine a lot of the time or just don’t my phone. And y’all just use Safari because the default app, it works. I don’t need any special features. on my computer, I use brave. So it’s a chromium based browser, but it’s not Chrome. So it’s got the same architecture, it’s got the same look and feel because it had the same fundamental structure and the way it runs. But there are some other features. One is very security and privacy based. The Privacy features and options and secure security options are really good, you can go down and you know all the different tracking features, you can disable them as an inbuilt ad blocker. You can even launch the Tor Browser directly from it if you want to go into the dark webs. So I don’t have any use case for that, by the way. So yeah, that’s, that’s the one I use. And it uses less system resources than Chrome is slightly more efficient. So that’s the one I use.

Daniel Redfearn  27:32
Interesting. Okay, well, that’s good to know. Okay.

Subaan Qasim  27:35
So earlier, you mentioned that your the way you’ve organized your homescreen is still the same that you’ve done from like six years ago or something? Yeah. Do you see yourself changing considering the fact that we’re probably more intentional about how we use it back then we were just like, you know, what’s the most efficient way to get onto the social media? And so, so we organize that on our front home screen. Obviously, I’ve changed mine around but with your new phone, you’re thinking of changing that around? Well, I

Daniel Redfearn  27:58
think from this conversation. So the reason why I had this conversation was kind of because of that there was a few thoughts I’ve had recently. And yeah, a big, big part of it was to figure out how better to optimize it because I am thinking, you know, I’m definitely a productivity guru. I’m not even very good at Tech, to be honest, I’d say I’m pretty average, as in just like my use of technology. But I do recognize that these little changes, actually, these days can make quite a difference. I do think I’m going to do that thing you mentioned about moving social media platforms off of your front homepage, the first page. I also like how you don’t have folders on your first page, because I have loads of folders. I just have like, you know, a show a folder for university, a folder for emails. And yeah, basically, I’m just gonna think what do I really want to be in front of me, when I unlock my phone? What do I need to access straight away? And then what do I not need to access? And I’ll only by end up going to it because it’s easy, like Instagram. That’s a big one. That’s the fact you showed me that you can remove things from your homepage without deleting the app. Yeah. And then having the app library. I didn’t know about that. So that’s going to be awesome. So yeah, basically, I will make some changes. I’m also going to look into a couple of new apps that we’ve talked about. I just downloaded the Wikipedia apps I’m very excited about. And yeah, I think I already did think about like optimizing, you know, trying to get your algorithm to feed you what you want. I’ve been doing that already. But um, yeah, it’s been pretty interesting to think about more. Okay, well, I appreciate that. Subaan Thank you for your time.

Subaan Qasim  29:25
No problem. Have a good week. And you alright, peace, peace. Okay, Hello, this is Subaan from the future again, editing Subaan. So, I’m just here to interrupt about a few things and few thoughts that I had about podcasts. And we forgot to mention podcast and talk about them whilst recording the episode originally, but I thought it’d be worth mentioning, although podcasts don’t really fall under social media. But that’s all part of that whole media consumption thing that we have on our phones, and we mostly probably do on our phones. And because I spend a considerable amount of time listening to podcasts, I thought it’s probably worth mentioning. And there are a few things that I think that could really help the podcast game because it’s still being left behind in terms of technical, technological updates and apps and stuff. So just to kind of illustrate how much I do, listen, I don’t know if this is high or low, but I think it’s a decent amount. So I did some quick maths. And in the month of February, I listened to 4260 minutes of podcasts, which came out to around 115 minutes of podcasts a day. And in the first 18 days of March, I listened to 2728 minutes of podcasts. And that’s just all on my phone. So that averages around two and a half hours of podcasts per day, over those 28 plus 18 days, I can’t do that quick math. And that’s actually excluding YouTube podcasts as well, I usually everyday listen to some kind of long form interview, if it’s a podcast, probably a long form interview. So that probably ended up bringing it around to you know, over three hours a day, probably around three and a half hours a day. But the thing is, that’s actually listened to, on average around two and a half, not two and a half times probably around 2.7 times speed. So it only takes me around one hour, 20 minutes a day, which sounds about right, because I usually listen to podcasts when I do want to have a one hour workout most days. And then just some random stuff here and there as well, just before and after the workout, which is random chores. Now the main issue I have with podcasts and stuff is just that their search ability. And just the apps are just so bad in that sense in terms of trying to discover new content on podcasts. And I personally think there was some of the most valuable content on the internet outside of YouTube and stuff. I guess YouTube is more valuable in the fact that it can recommend stuff to you, that is highly valuable for you for what you’re trying to do at that time. But with podcasts, there isn’t really a thing like that, or any kind of algorithm to take advantage of your habits of listening on podcasts. And the other thing is actually capturing stuff from podcasts is really hard, is similar to audiobooks. Basically, when I’m reading a book, I can highlight stuff and I’ll get imported onto my computer or at least I can sync it up fairly easily. But with podcasts is pretty difficult to you know, just somehow note stuff down or just stop what you’re doing for a bit. But there is an app that it’s fairly new. It’s called air, a AI R, which is I think it’s only on iOS right now. And it’s really new. It’s pretty much in its beta. It’s so buggy, I hate it. But it has is one really good feature scored air quotes. If you triple tap your airports or you know, whatever headphones, basically, you can capture a snippet of the past up to a minute and a half automatically. So and then using different apps and different integrations, you can get it onto your computer. And if it’s a popular podcast, it will automatically have transcriptions for it. So import the text for you, and the timestamp and stuff. So it’s really good the importance of but it’s just so buggy and the playing playback features and stuff. And the queuing features just so buggy and so bad that I just don’t like using it. Sometimes if I know it’s going to be a good episode for whatever reason, like it’s someone like, like it, someone just, I know will just have some good insight that I want to capture, then I’ll use air specifically. But otherwise, my main go to app is pocket costs, which is just nice. It’s a, it’s just really nice to use in every single way. So I just use it, the queuing features are just really good. And the customizing features for speeds and skipping times and stuff is really good. So the other the other problem then is that of algorithms and search ability and stuff, however, there does seem to be some kind of solution to it. But I’ve just never got around to using it. It’s called listen notes, it was recommended to me by a friend. And it’s quite interesting. They have like an API, you can directly you know, access. And then you can even create your own search queries and stuff to pull out recommended stuff, I think I’m probably going to try and do that and access their API. So I can do some basic make my own custom algorithm to give me recommendations. So that’ll be really interesting, if I do get around to doing that. But otherwise, they have like curated playlists, or you know, discovery playlists or other people’s playlists, you can access kind of like they have an Apple Music and Spotify and stuff. So I think the way forward but it doesn’t, then it’s just another app and another hassle to kind of get that feature. So some app just needs to create some kind of algorithm for podcast discoverability and search ability, or some other app like pocket cost, just need to steal that triple tap, triple tap air pods feature to capture a snippet of the past on or like audible need to do that just steal the feature, man, I just need. But yeah, that’s probably anticompetitive. So I’ll leave that one. Okay, so that’s the thing with podcast and I just think is important to mention, because I personally do spend a lot of time and I think Dan does as well, but I don’t know I can’t ask him right now since I’m just recording this from the future. Okay, and the other thing, which is actually social media related is clubhouse, which has become a quite quite, it’s become quite hot thing over the past month, two months or so. And I’ve got access to it and I’ve had my fair share of dabbling in it. I did have notifications turned off for about the first month that I used it. What hasn’t even been a month of me using it. But basically I turn off the notifications today, because I’ve ended up following a lot of rooms and I just got a lot of notification for scheduling times for just people that I follow as well that just rooms will just enter in and start talking, I just get too many notifications, I’ll just turn them off as and it’s not like they come up on my phone, because obviously I’ll go Do Not Disturb on crutches when I do check my phone, I just see loads of notifications from club. So I’ve turned them off now. But I had them on initially, to see how clubhouse works. And I can just follow a few people and just, you know, get into rooms with him. But I think it’s a really interesting place, there are some rooms that are very cringy, and a lot of them are just very cringy people are just trying to force the networking and stuff just try and make contacts or they’re just kind of showing off and blowing up their own ego all the time. It’s kind of cringe. But you do get some rooms that are just really interesting to just even just to listen in and not take part in every took taking part and actually spoken in many rooms, I’m just kind of a person sitting at the back, just listening in. But it’s really interesting to think that for some, you know, like famous people or internet famous people or people that I listen a lot, listen to a lot people like, you know, Lex Friedman or navall and stuff, I could just be in a room with them. And I could potentially interact with them. If I put my hand up and you know, I get called to the stage to ask a question or just interact or whatever. So it’s really, it’s a really interesting concept. And it’s kind of basically what livestream video did for videos, except for podcasts. These are basically live stream podcasts. And it’s just quite nice thing where you can have interactions in terms of live interactions like on Instagram Live, but there’s no hindrance of video right? What if you’re out and about doing something, you just want to listen in and talk in like a phone call. So you can just do that. Or you know, you don’t have to care about your appearance, you can just be lying in bed and doing it right below. So those are just some of the thoughts on different social media, particularly clubhouse, which is a social media, and then just kind of media consumption side of things with podcasts, which I think really needs to get improved. So yeah, those are just my thoughts on that. And I’ll let you get back to the episode. I don’t know what I’m going to insert this probably near the end. So here’s the outro or something I don’t know. Goodbye.