Kharma Medic on optimising productivity, sharing success, and learning (pt. 2)

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We sit down and have a conversation with Nasir Kharma, a 4th year medical student at King’s College London who is probably best known for his YouTube channel, Kharma Medic. We have a broader discussion on the nature of success, lifestyle design and productivity, as well as the different ways we can approach learning in all facets of life. In part one, we reflect on the development and growth of his YouTube channel, how he balances having an online presence alongside his studies as a medical student, as well as some insights into his thoughts and aspirations for the future – so check out last week’s episode if you missed it!

Nasir’s YouTube channel aims to help students get into medical school, optimise productivity, and generally provide entertainment on a consistent basis. At the time of recording he had just surpassed 600k subscribers. If you somehow haven’t watched any of his stuff, then here are links to his YouTube channel and Instagram page.


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Subaan Qasim  00:11
And in this episode, we continue into part two of our conversation with Nasir Kharma, also known as Kharma Medic, we talk about sharing success, optimizing productivity, and our approach to learning in all facets of life. In part one, we reflect on the development and growth of his YouTube channel, how he balances having an online presence along his studies as a medical student, as well as some insights into his thoughts and aspirations for the future. So if that sounds like something you’ll be interested in listening to then head over to last week’s episode where you can listen to that. But without any further ado, into part two,

Daniel Redfearn  00:47
we’ve had episodes on it before Subaan, I don’t think it was released the episode on like, managing success and how you carry success. We’ve all had elements of success in our lives. And something that I’ve really had to learn about, as I’ve got older, is how I share that success with other people.

Nasir Kharma  01:03
So when I was spoke about this, I remember we were in the kitchen with Angela, and you were saying like how much you should show her how much you know, when a conversation and things like that?

Daniel Redfearn  01:13
Yes, yes, gone. So yeah, managing, managing, if it was being disowned, and for example, they, they don’t know who you are. And you think that it might be useful for them to know who you are in the conversation? Or, I don’t know, did you ever feel like you have to let someone know who you are as a caveat, or no,

Nasir Kharma  01:33
I can safely say that I’ve never brought it up myself. I’ve never once introduced the idea that I make YouTube videos on the internet. And I have a large following. Because I don’t think that that’s like part of the core of who I am. Like I am the person that I was before I started this hobby, that is YouTube. And now it’s just another hobby in my life, it just so happens that it’s extremely successful. It’s doing really, really well. And I’m very happy about that. But it’s not like a defining feature of who I am, you know, who I am is someone who wants to become a doctor. That’s what I think is like my defining feature, not my defining feature, but something core to who I am. And yeah, I don’t know, I like I’ve never brought it up first in a conversation.

Daniel Redfearn  02:18
And is there a way that you do it? Because again, this is something? For example, if family members are saying to me, are you at uni and stuff, because I think people often are quite impressed by if you study medicine, or if you go to a good union stuff. There’s a way to do it, I guess, is there a way that you would introduce it to someone who didn’t know about it? And they said to you, is there anything you do on the side? And you said, I don’t know I have a YouTube channel? Is there any way you’d go about that or something, you could tell two people how to share your success in a nice way. That’s not putting other people down, not making them feel uncomfortable. And as being humble, you know, while being realistic.

Nasir Kharma  02:52
What I do, I guess is I just I don’t offer like I don’t say all the information in one go. Like if someone says like, oh, for example, I don’t like do you do anything with social media? For example, I’ll be like, yeah, I make YouTube videos. And once a year, I make YouTube videos, and I have 600,000 subscribers and 100,000 followers on Instagram. I’ll just say like, Yes, I make YouTube videos. And then if they asked me more, I will tell them everything. I’ll never lie on their skirt around the topic. But I guess I would just never bring it up myself.

Daniel Redfearn  03:17
It’s interesting, though, because you want to give an accurate picture of who you are, right? There’s something I’m not exaggerating when I say I really thought about this, because you have to. You have to be accurate, you know, underplaying it can be bad as well, sometimes, because you’re not painting a real picture of who you are. In some ways. You could argue that someone is dishonest as well. So say you said, I know you don’t do this, per se. You said I have a little I have a small YouTube channel. Yeah, it’s just a little with the numbers a small

Nasir Kharma  03:41
Yeah, because I would never lie. Yeah,

Daniel Redfearn  03:43
yes, exactly. Um, and that’s what I find hard. And anything you do say for me piano? I don’t want to oversell it. I don’t want to undersell it. So how do I say, you know, I don’t wanna say I play a bit of piano. You have to you have to get it right. So yeah, that’s why I’m curious

Nasir Kharma  03:57
if I asked you if you played piano, and you told me Yes, I play piano. I’m actually very good. I have 10th grade, like account or whatever.

Daniel Redfearn  04:05
It’s hard, because

Nasir Kharma  04:06
I would think that’s like, a bit too much.

Subaan Qasim  04:08
Yeah. Okay.

Nasir Kharma  04:10
If I asked you do you play piano? And you said, Yeah, I do my next natural question be like, oh, like, how much do you play? Like, have you like gotten any, like, I don’t know what they’re called, like scores or accreditation? Or is it something you enjoy? Or something you still play? And then maybe we could reach that point. But I would never expect you to offer all the information from the beginning, because then it might come off, like you’re showing off, or whatever. Yeah. And at the same time, I think it’s perfectly fine with people not knowing if the conversation ends after, yes, I play piano. I think it’s completely fine to,

Daniel Redfearn  04:38
you know, that it depends to say, I completely agree with that. I think the safest thing to do is you don’t need to give all the context and a lot of situations because they don’t need all of that context with you. If you said oh, I have a YouTube channel. I really enjoy making the videos. And if they say is it is does it have success? Or is it big, then maybe you could say, I don’t know. I’m quite lucky. There are a lot of people Enjoy watching the videos, that’s fine, but it’s like, um, knowing how much to offer them, you know? So yeah,

Nasir Kharma  05:07
I just I always start with the, with the minimum in terms of like offering information about like, achievements or whatever, like, even even in setting up, let’s say in a fire in the kitchen and someone’s talking about like paper publications. And yeah, like someone asks on the run like, oh, does x, do you have a paper publication? If they would say like, Yes, actually, I have five, and they’re all on blah, blah, blah, like, I would be like, that’s a bit too much. Right? I would, I would start with the most minimal amounts of information. And if people want to know more, I’ll happily offer it. And it’s not, it’s not that you’re trying to hide something, it’s just that it’s what you save, you’re trying to see it in the most neutral way. You don’t want to come off as you’re showing off, because you are not showing off. This is a fact that you have X number of publications, and you’re not showing off about it, you’re stating it. And you also don’t want to say too little, you don’t want to lie. You don’t to say no. You don’t want to say like, yeah, so like, I don’t know, my general rule, I guess is just like I was about to say, say as little as possible. But that sounds like it’s in a in a negative way. Like you’re trying to hide something. You’re not trying to hide something. You’re just trying to get it across in the best way possible. That is the nicest way possible. I don’t know.

Daniel Redfearn  06:15
I get what you mean. And I think it’s thinking about what that person wants to hear as well. So as in, do they want? Are they interested? You know, that’s a big thing. In my conversations with people, I’m thinking, do they even want to talk about what I’m talking about right now? That’s why I preface things a lot. Yeah,

Nasir Kharma  06:29
yeah. I remember when you said that yeah.

Daniel Redfearn  06:31
Yeah, I don’t know if you’ve got anything with this the bonus, especially when you are at school, and people would sometimes talk to you about you know, your YouTube channel and stuff like that. Is there any way that you would share success with people?

Subaan Qasim  06:41
I mean, I guess I’ve never really had to that much I guess it would sometimes come up in a kind of random conversation. So if I was meeting someone new, and I had a friend with me know below, oh, would you do? And I was like, Oh, yeah, you know, I love making videos and stuff in the middle. Oh, you know, he’s got a YouTube channel. This has been ages ago. It has long since died. But yeah, I would go through the same kind of processes in terms of just giving the information that they asked for. So if they say, like, do you have a YouTube channel? Well, that’s a yes or no one. So I’ll give a yes or no answer. If they say, how many subscribers do you have? Well, then you will see the number if? And also, if they start off with a more generic question alike, or maybe a multi threaded kind of question, oh, would you do anything on social media? What would you do? Like? What was you doing? You say, Oh, I do YouTube and Instagram. Right? Then after that, they, they might ask about both. Or they might just ask about one because that’s what they’re most interested in. And they almost forget about the other one. So Oh, what would you do on Instagram? And they’ll just kind of forget about the YouTube. So then you’re only giving them what they’re interested in and kind of like what you were saying earlier? And I know, I think that’s the kind of way I’d go about it as well, in terms of so say, like, Danny were mentioning, oh, is kind of awkward sometimes to say what you study. When might you say a family member asks you something, I’ll just say, Oh, I study medicine. And then they’ll ask Where? And usually I don’t like saying whereas often then they’re like, Oh, yeah, kind of gassing it up and everything. Yeah. So I just tried to kind of busy go through the same steps in terms of answering the basically answering exactly what they’re saying and not giving more by not giving less.

Daniel Redfearn  08:18
So what about with like grades? So obviously, you average about 97%? In all your exams?

Subaan Qasim  08:25
Yeah, no, I actually don’t.

Nasir Kharma  08:28
I was gonna touch one, by the way.

Subaan Qasim  08:29
I average a 98.

Daniel Redfearn  08:35
Yeah, like, that’s one thing I’ve really noticed, for example, at Imperial, the the people Imperial, the culture is a little bit different than kings. I like the way it is at Kings, but no one really talks about it unless you asked. And I would be a bit taken aback. So recently, we had a test, say, you couch in the kitchen with Oh, how did that go? Like? I’d be surprised. And that only happens once or twice every exam season. But at Imperial, I don’t know if it’s the same on all courses. But for me. After the first essay, we all got the email while we’re in class. And everyone was like, Yeah, but an answer to all we got the email. What did you get? You know, how do you feel about your result? And it really surprised me.

Subaan Qasim  09:16
I’ve never had that experience. I’ve had

Nasir Kharma  09:19
that but with a group of friends who I know and trust very well. And we all share, like, everything with each other.

Subaan Qasim  09:26
Like, yeah, that’s that’s the only situation I’ve had it in as well. Yeah, it was in the first year. We were different. We were selling McDonald’s and we were literally just waiting for it. So it was kind of like three or four of us were like it was kind of part of the thing, but someone didn’t even want to share their results or they didn’t. And no one was obliged to even see their score. Yeah, enjoy. Otherwise it just out like out and about Imperial. I don’t know maybe it’s just it depends on the kind of group of people you’re with or something maybe just everyone on cardio is just a bit of a nerd.

Daniel Redfearn  10:00
If it wasn’t like, it wasn’t horrible, you didn’t get pinned down and like, give me your email password. But it was just more that there was a lot more open than I was used to. And it reminded me of that theme that I’ve always gone through throughout my life and thinking, how, how should I share these things about me? in the right way? What are people interested in hearing? And how will it make them feel? So if someone says to you, and might and by the way, my personal solution is just that I’m very honest. So if I’ve done well, and someone asks me, how did you do on the very rare occasion that I have done? Well, what I will say is the truth, I’ll be like, yeah, I’m really pleased. I guess I worked quite hard for this one. And I got a pretty good results. I’m quite happy. And obviously not offering numbers and stuff like that. Because that’s people naturally compare that because we always compare everything to ourselves.

Nasir Kharma  10:48
Let me ask you a question. When you say, I’m pleased, I’m quite happy. I worked quite hard. And so I’m quite happy with the result. Do you feel like you have to add in that qualifier of, I worked quite hard, and so I’m happy with that result. Does that sort of lessen the quote unquote, blow of stating to someone that you have a good grade?

Daniel Redfearn  11:06
Yes. But for me, yes, I preface things a lot all the time, because it gives context to what I’m saying. And I think it adds, it’s more honest. So instead of saying I did really well, and just offering that, that could be saying a lot of subliminal things aside, and I think those, those small aspects of a conversation really matter, in my opinion. It’s not just body language, it’s not just tone. It’s not just how you present it also about how you present the information. And so again, applying it to you, for example, your YouTube channel, in my opinion, there’s nothing wrong with even saying pretty soon in the conversation, that it’s quite a successful YouTube channel, as long as it’s presented in a genuine way. So with the result, saying, Yeah, I’m pleased with the result. I worked harder than usual. And yeah, I guess I did expect to do a bit better this time. So I’m happy about that. I think, yeah, maybe they can digest that information in a different way. I don’t know if you guys agree with that. Maybe?

Subaan Qasim  12:02
I don’t know. Because I feel like that is almost asking for more questions, or also, even just saying, Oh, I did really well, or like you. So you preface it and everything and be like, Yeah, I did quite well, then. I don’t know. I guess it really depends how you deliver it, because I feel it can just lead to the next question. Oh, what did you get really easily? That’s true. That’s true weight? And that’s the question I’m trying to avoid all the time. So yeah,

Daniel Redfearn  12:28
that’s that’s the that’s the worst question.

Nasir Kharma  12:30
Because Can I say something? Why are you trying to avoid that question? When, if someone asks you, what is your grade? Yeah. Besides the fact that you obviously have no obligation to tell them? Okay. Like, I think that before someone asks you that question, you internally know, do I want to share this piece of information or not? And I think that should go above everything. Before you give your answer before will I find this person? How are they going to interpret it, whatever your decision about whether you want to share this piece of information should come first. And I think that sometimes that can have a negative outcome in that in my offense on when it might hurt someone, they might take it the wrong way. But I really dislike this idea that when someone asked you what your grade was, you felt like you had to put in that qualifier to soften the blow. Right? If someone asks you where your grade was, when you did well, on that exam, I think you should be able to say if you want to, yes, I did well, and that should be it. Like the idea that we somehow have to like, make it less of an achievement so that someone else doesn’t feel as bad if maybe they haven’t gotten a good grade. I think it’s just wrong.

Subaan Qasim  13:35
Yeah, to be fair, I do agree with that you shouldn’t be entitled, or you shouldn’t feel responsible for making sure they don’t feel, you know, offended or anything. by answering a question that they asked. I’m not sure I’m not sure. 100% agree with

Daniel Redfearn  13:52
that, guys, because it’s interesting. And I’ll need to think about it more. But I think every conversation we have we have a responsibility not to we have a responsibility over the other person’s emotions as well, right? Because anything I can say, I could say might make someone feel bad. So with the results thing first, first things first, I do agree that sharing the actual number is dangerous territory, because if we’ve sat the same exam, if I’m giving you my number, you’ll just straightaway compare with your number and say, is it higher or lower? So I agree, personally, I try to avoid giving numbers to people who’ve sat the same exam as me, because as well for me, if they give me their number, if they’ve done higher than me, yeah, it will just, I don’t know, it’s not a nice place to be. And also it changes my perception of them because it makes me see them as like a competitor almost right. But the way that that result is shared, I think, yeah, I don’t know it can it can modify how it comes across. And I think Yeah, especially if you’re volunteering that you work hard for or sometimes I’ll say I’m a bit disappointed with this result. That that’s my go to, by the way. So my go to is if someone says How was the exam? I wouldn’t say the number but I would say my opinion so I’d say like, Oh, I did a bit worse than expected, but it’s okay. Or I didn’t better than expected

Nasir Kharma  14:57
because that actually will happen.

Daniel Redfearn  14:58
Yeah, so always be The elders volunteered the truth. Yeah. Okay. So Oh, yeah, that that’s an important thing to add with the thing that I said, I worked hard. I was pleased. I’m not just saying that, you know, if I’ve done well, the very few times in my life that I have done what I’m doing. I’m doing it again. When I do do well, yeah, I will preface it. And sometimes it might be a surprise. So there have been exams before where I was surprised. And I’ll just say, I’ll say, Oh, actually, I did very well on this exam. But I was quite surprised by that, because I didn’t work too hard.

Nasir Kharma  15:29
I think that’s completely fine.

Subaan Qasim  15:31
But if you say that, I don’t know if you should say it that way around where? Oh, I was pretty surprised. I didn’t really work that much. And then you’re gonna say, Yeah, I got 90, I was pretty surprised because I didn’t really work. So I think it’s all right, saying it the other way around. But seeing it the other way round. I said all the way around. I said. Yeah. So if you say it the way where, you know, you worked hard, and you did well, like that, that seems, you know, socially acceptable. But if you said it the other way around was like, man, I messed around. I just did it all in one night. But yeah, I go, you know, 100% or whatever, then they might have worked really harder than so maybe they wouldn’t have been offended if you just said, Oh, I got this. But then the fact that you prefaced it with the fact that you did not much work. And you’re surprised would now offend them in that way. But the other way around, it wouldn’t offend them.

Nasir Kharma  16:22
But it sucks so much that like, so let’s say someone asks you what you got, okay? If so, let’s just put some, like example, so it becomes easier to follow. So if I asked Dan, what he got on an exam, and he’s gotten higher than me, okay, then I’m going to be offended. I’m saying this in quotations for everyone listening on the podcast, then in quotations, I’m going to be offended, because he got a high grade, and he told me that, but if he tells me he got a lower grade than I am, in quotations going to feel superior to them, because I feel like Oh, I got a better grade than him where I’m gonna feel happy about my own grade. I think that sucks. Like, this is a this is a results oriented way of thinking. And happy this has come up because this is one of the like, underpinning, I don’t know if that’s the right phrase, but underpinning underlying, like principles of my life, which is to not be results oriented, you make the decision that you want to make before an event happens based on information, you know, based on what you have. And whatever the outcome, whatever the result doesn’t matter. You can learn from it, you can change from it, you can whatever. But as long as you made the right decision to begin with, it doesn’t matter. So I hate this idea that you can ask a question and then depending on the result, you’ll feel a certain way. I feel like you should know from the beginning how you feel like, I know for a fact that right now, if anyone asks me what grades I got an exam, I’m not going to tell you, I just know that from now. It’s going to depend on the conversation, it’s all going to depend on what they tell me if they tell me they’re great or not. I just know that isn’t gonna happen. Like unless I have a relationship with someone where we always share our grades. And we’re very comfortable with that and whatever. But yeah, I like knowing these things before entering the quote, unquote, unpredictable situation

Daniel Redfearn  17:58
that we can’t know. But I can’t know, say we’re discussing the exam. And I don’t know you at all. I don’t know if you’re a results oriented, oriented person. So that’s why I guess, as you said, you don’t share the number because you have to make the assumption that the other person might have a response to whatever grade you got, you know, because say you’re not results oriented at all. Then, by nature of that, I guess we could just freely share what we got, because it shouldn’t matter. But yeah, I think that’s we always run off the assumption that the other person, I don’t know how hard you work for the exam. So say, say you’d been working super, super hard. And I don’t know that. And then we just say the results. And I go, Yeah, I got 99. You say?

Subaan Qasim  18:39
Yeah, I got it.

Daniel Redfearn  18:40

Nasir Kharma  18:42
But I hate that idea of having to justify something. If, if I do very well on on an exam, because I studied hard, or because I didn’t study hard. And you asked me how I did. I’m not gonna lie to you. I’m gonna say I did. Well, I’m happy with my result. But I will I will not add in that extra sentence that says, because I worked really hard. I won’t, because I feel like I don’t owe that justification to anybody. If they get offended, or they don’t get offended, I think that comes second to whether me as a person, I wanted to share that information in the first place.

Daniel Redfearn  19:15
But what if that softens the blow? So what if you telling me, so yeah, if you knew I worked really hard, and then I come and ask you because I was a nervous wreck. You know, what did you get? Maybe I wanted to know if everyone else did as badly as I did. And then you say, Oh, I actually did pretty well.

Nasir Kharma  19:29
I wouldn’t say oh, I actually did pretty well. I’d say like I did. Well, I’m pleased with my result, like what happened with you? If I see that you’re stressing, remember? I wouldn’t lie. And I wouldn’t get I certainly wouldn’t gloat about it. But I guess I’d try and shift the focus back to this person who’s concerned in front of me or whatever. And I just want to make a quick thing to I said about talking about being results oriented or not. I realized we were talking about grades which a synonym for that word is results. When I talk about being results oriented, I don’t mean about that out. to come up with an exam, sorry, that’s like that, that is confusing. What I’m talking about is, let’s say outcome oriented, right? Like the saying, take the bus or the car to work, if you make the correct decision of taking the bus to work, and then it ends up that there was so much traffic, like the fact that it was so much traffic is completely under your control, you made the correct decision at the beginning to take the bus because you thought it would be a shorter commute or whatever. And then afterwards, the fact that it actually took longer has nothing to do with that original decision, you still made the decision that beginning.

Daniel Redfearn  20:27
Okay, so then from that, I’m sorry to interrupt from that, would you therefore say, it’s fair to say that you enjoy the process of something instead of the result. So the value that you seek and doing something is the process of doing it in the first place, not the end result? Normally?

Nasir Kharma  20:44
I don’t think I would necessarily agree with that. And I don’t think I’m like one person or the other, I think depending on the activity, or depending on the goal, either they’re like the process or the goal is more important. More often than not. When you’re actually doing some when I’m, when I’m actually doing something, I feel like the goal is more important. But then in retrospect, I realized the value that was in the process, yeah, but I don’t really realize at the time, science ethics glasses.

Daniel Redfearn  21:11
By the way, that’s a big flaw. One of my big philosophies is like, enjoy the process. Because I think I think I’m quite results. I think results matter. You know, like, if you’re doing something, saying that we’ll use the example of learning Mandarin, it would be useful to be getting better, or hope that I’d be getting better over time. So that result is important, but then obviously, not enjoying the process means that you’re not going to get the result. So for me, personally, maybe this will change over time, but it’s about finding a way to maximize the process itself. And then by by doing that, getting a good result, but yeah, with the going back to the exam scores and sharing your success, thinking, putting yourself in the other person’s shoes, why are they asking and how they’re going to feel about me, me answering that. For example, with my mom, when she asked me how the exam went, I will just say, oh, I’ve got this result, because she’s not saying the same exam as me and stuff. Yeah. So it’s interesting, I think it depends on the person you’re speaking to.

Nasir Kharma  22:02
I agree with you that it depends. And in a social setting in different social settings, it does depend. But I don’t like the idea that it depends. I think, in principle, we should answer that question the same way, no matter who’s asking us. But of course, in reality, it’s different. If someone comes up to you really anxious and really upset about an exam, you’re going to say differently than to your mom or your dad, or a friend you do share grades with versus when you don’t yet. So of course, it depends. Of course it does. But I don’t like that idea. I think that you should we all should be ideally answering in the same in the same way.

Subaan Qasim  22:34
As food for thought that just to kind of say wrap things up, this can be the last thing we probably discuss since we’ve taken a lot of your time.

Nasir Kharma  22:41
Oh, no, it’s all good. I’m having a great time.

Subaan Qasim  22:44
So obviously, with doing medicine, in this YouTube thing, just all the other activities, hobbies and everything. That’s a lot to fit in a singular day or a single single week. So you obviously have to manage that somehow, when it comes to say like organizing your life in terms of projects or tasks and things. Well, recently, you made a like organizing your life in notion and how you do you made a video like that, and how you kind of micromanage your time, at least in certain phases. When you’re studying, and whatnot. Do you think that’s something everyone should probably do to a certain extent, even if it’s just like a basic to do list, because me and Dan have very opposing views on this. So we we’ve had a discussion about this before where I’m very pro, you know, get it down, organize things in different sections, organize your time and make sure you kind of have an overview of what you’re doing. Whereas Dan is, well, I guess, Dan, you should say what kind of aspect you go through, but it’s mostly just kind of like it’s in your head, you kind of figure out what you do as you go along. And kind of just do what you need to do without any kind of legitimate system in the background to kind of help organize it. Do you think there’s value in doing it? You think everyone should at least try and do something? So like,

Nasir Kharma  23:56
like, this is gonna sound like such a cliche answer. But anytime someone asked me this, I give the same advice, which is like, first and foremost, do what works for you. And then I follow that up with me personally, if I don’t make it to do list, if I don’t write things down, if I don’t keep track of everything that I’m doing. A I’m gonna forget half of it. Okay, like, if like when Dan says he keeps things in his head, like that is an unimaginable thought for me, I cannot hold that information in my head. And then being if I wasn’t writing things down, I would genuinely be so stressed. Like, really, if I had to think in my head of the things that I want to do today, and in what order I want to do them and whatever that would really stress me out, like putting them onto a piece of paper and organizing them and planning when I’m going to do each one. That’s what helps me like, calm down and realize, oh, okay, maybe I do have time to do all these things. Or this is exactly how I’m going to tackle these problems that I have or finish these tasks that I have. Without that I would be really stressed. So it helps me a lot in that sense. But then there’s people who who find stress and writing things down and making a list and they look at it and they’re like, Oh my god, there’s so many things. Running down, what am I going to do? And so that takes me back to the opening of the sentence, which is like very long sentence, which is, like, find what works for you. And I don’t think there is a right way. I don’t think there’s a right way at all.

Daniel Redfearn  25:12
But I think, as we were saying before, lifestyle, the context of your lifestyle, I guess, lends to having a capital structure and organization to, you know, editing your videos, making sure they’re done on time. I guess I can see how, you know, using notion, using technology to help guide your organization means that you can be more efficient. And yeah, as you were saying, not everyone has your lifestyle. So some people don’t need maybe don’t need that organization, the actual organization, some people need it even more than you. So yeah, I completely agree that it’s up to the person and up to their needs. And it’s just that I found through time, I have tried to keep diaries and stuff and keep calendars, but I think it sounds unsure people disagree with me and cringe even. But I find that it limits me in some ways, you know, because if, if I want to be doing something, and I’m really enjoying it, and I don’t want to stop doing it. If I don’t need to stop doing it. I’ll just keep going. You know, I don’t want to be limited to a timetable. And I, I think I can you know, just I don’t know, I think that that’s basically what I mean, I won’t go too into it. But yeah, I don’t want to just say that I’m a hater or Anki hater.

Subaan Qasim  26:23
Those things. Yeah, it’s not so much about that, I think it’s more just about the concept of having some level of over oversight on a system that isn’t reliant on your brain, which can be somewhat unreliable during certain times, at least, you know, same periods of stress, where you can just kind of forget, like one moment to do or I knew I had to do something, but I just can’t remember at this time, when maybe it would have been the most efficient thing for you to do at that time was to do that particular thing. So you’ll probably remember to do it later, which is fine. But it may have been somewhat more efficient for you to do it at that time. So if you just opened up some, I don’t mean like, you need some full project management system, but just like, say a to do list on like Microsoft to do. So you can have that for the day and be like, okay, I can just sit and send this email now or something. So the something I

Daniel Redfearn  27:09
quickly want to say, and I don’t want to extend it for too long. But it’s the idea of like instinct. So far, the reason why I sometimes turn to a diary or attend to a calendar is because I think, surely at some point, I’m going to miss a deadline or just make a mistake. And especially basically, this year, I am with the tennis club. I’m doing the presidency. So it’s a lot of organization and bring that up, because it’s a lot of dates, and forms that need to be submitted and stuff. So I can see how it’s a bit crazy, not like I’m writing those things down. But over time, I think in not writing things down you. You kind of train your instinct. And I haven’t made a mistake yet. Maybe there’s a really tough, maybe that’s a famous last words, and I forgot we had an exam. And I’m kicked out of med school or something like that. But if because I apply that to everything. And who knows, maybe in a year or two, that will change massively, it could well happen. But for now, I just go off of the feeling. And if I’m missing something or there’s a deadline, for example, we’ve got a deadline soon for GP rotations for next year, we need to submit all this documentation and stuff. If I’m forgetting a deadline, I just have a feeling I just know that I’m missing something or with my studying, I don’t write down what I’ve learned. I don’t write down the topics, but I just have a feeling. So I know over time, there’s in my head, I just constantly know what I need to be doing or what I shouldn’t be doing. And I also have that with people. So I know that I haven’t contacted someone in a long time. And and before I go to bed for like 10 minutes, I’m just lying there. And I’m just thinking exactly what am I doing over the next few days and like what’s going on, but it means that I, again, it’s cringy, but I kind of generally know what’s going on? How’s that crunchy? Just instinct like feel,

Nasir Kharma  28:57
I think, I think that’s a great. Like, if you’re able to keep track of all those deadlines and things that you need to do, and you get that feeling of Oh, like I need to do something

Daniel Redfearn  29:08
I need to work out, I’m not done on the exam,

Nasir Kharma  29:10
my deadlines, or whatever. I think that’s great. Because like, on the flip side, like I’m completely reliant on writing something down, and like a general rule for myself is if it’s not on my to do list, it’s not going to happen, because I will forget about it. And I won’t remember it in the evening when I need to do it. I’ll remember it I like a random time when it’s like not good. I should have done earlier. And so yeah, I’m completely rely on on writing things down, because I will just forget it like in my brain. But I think I think it’s definitely skill and what you said, which is that you do so often and you do it in all aspects of your life that you’ve trained yourself. You’ve built up this sort of ability to hold things in your brain and remember things in that way, which I’ve done the exact opposite of because I’ve haven’t been doing that at all. I’ve just written everything down.

Daniel Redfearn  29:55
I think it’s great. I guess you could argue that it’s almost wasted energy or that it frees up more time for you, you know, having using notion or using something that organizes your time for you almost means that Yeah, you don’t have to be thinking about it all the time. And I can definitely see the merit in that. It’s more just that, I think, as you said, it means that you don’t have to think about it. Whereas I like having to think about the things that I’m doing. Because, as I said, it trains my instinct over time. And it’s made me quite reflective, I think. So I’m constantly going off of feeling as I said, and I haven’t done Mandarin in a while I just, I know I need to be doing it. I feel like I’m tapering a bit. Or I need to spend two weeks just going into the piano, and just really diving deep into that. And yeah, the the feeling, I’ve learned how to understand how I feel basically, in that respect. So yeah. I think if anyone listened to this, they might disagree with me quite strongly. But yeah.

Subaan Qasim  30:48
And so I agree with stuff like, Oh, I feel like just, you know, learning this kind of thing. So I’ll just go into you know, practicing your Mandarin or piano for like the next two weeks, just non stop. I’m not talking so much about the ensemble say there was other like deadline things or random emails you might have to send about and stuff. So yeah, I don’t know, I just needed like a mental load. Well, usually, if I do just keep it in my head, I can usually remember it and you know, get around to doing everything on time. Well, to a certain extent. But I just feel like it is a lot more mental load. But that’s why I’m just trying to see like, how have you experiment with it and just see if there is a, like, a significant reduction in mental load, at least in some aspects. Yeah. So some things like you know, noting, like, play piano between six and 7pm. Like, that’s, that’s a level of micromanagement, which I feel is too much. And stuff like playing the piano and doing more creative stuff or stuff out of your obligations. That stuff shouldn’t be so micromanaged, I think, but everyone is like each to their own,

Daniel Redfearn  31:49
you can go for feeling right. So say, I don’t want I’m tired, or I don’t get I just feel like it gives me a bit of freedom in that. I don’t have to plan what I’m doing. And, you know, when it comes to a time, I can just go for exactly, yeah. How I feel in terms of motivation. What I want to be doing, and yeah, it means that I’ve become more comfortable and being spontaneous. Yeah, I don’t know. That’s how I see it.

Nasir Kharma  32:12
I said this to you in the kitchen last week, which is that I think that method of thinking, lends itself very well to someone who is reflective, or someone who’s able to look at what they’ve done recently, and like really analyze it and truly understand what went well, what didn’t went well, and how can I improve on that. And I was telling you in the kitchen that I don’t think I’m a reflective person at all. And in fact, it was one of my 2020 New Year’s resolutions to be more effective this year. And I failed miserably. I

have not reflected at all.

Daniel Redfearn  32:43
This is a thought we were getting it all in lately.

Nasir Kharma  32:46
Yeah, I guess this is a bit of a reflection now that now that we’re talking about it. And, and so yeah, so because I’m not very reflective. And because I don’t really like analyze the decisions that I make very much. I like another one of the general rules that I follow in my life is I try and make as few decisions as possible. Because the less decisions I make, the less choice I have, the less thinking I have to do about should I do this? Or should I do that I just tell myself very early on in the thinking process, do x and then that eliminates the need for choice the need to think about it any more in the future, like play piano from six to seven. If I say that once in the morning, I don’t think about it at all until 555. Whereas if maybe I didn’t make that plan or write it down. Maybe thought the day I would think oh, maybe I should play some counter right now. Or maybe tomorrow I’m free? Or do I even have a piano like? Like, like recently? Have you put out a multimeter? Yeah, exactly. Put it on the to do this. Like recently, I’ve decided that I want to learn how to play chess properly, like from a strategic point of view. And I used to play chess as a kid, but I haven’t played in like 10 years now. And so that is on my to do list. Because if it if I don’t write it down there, I will simply never do it. I just won’t I won’t randomly Remember to start playing chess or learning about chess.

Daniel Redfearn  34:02
But then what if you’re just in chilling? You’ve you finished for the evening? You know, surely you could just go off a feeling and just start doing it. And then you’re not like limiting yourself to a certain timeframe. You’re just doing it because because then you could argue that everything if you’re not doing any scheduling, then everything you do you’re doing because you want to do it or because you have the capacity. So every time I was studying, I was studying because I’ve arrived in that part of the day. I’ve got the time I can sit down and I can just work because I feel like it if that kind of makes sense with the chess. Yeah, it’s surely if you say I’m only going to start at once I’d like set aside the time for it. Yeah. It’s It’s interesting, because it’s two different structures to a whole life. Yeah. But we’re all in the same place. Kind of, you know, like we’re all doing similar things as well. So yeah, it’s really interesting, very different.

Subaan Qasim  34:45
Yeah. Because from from that you could argue, oh, if you sketch it out and see if you are very good at if you’ve said you’re going to do something, you’re just going to do it at that time for that period of time. You’re very good at that then you can start arguing about Do you really even want to learn chess, if you’re just kind of organizing it and like that, like, okay, a lot of the time, I’ll think, oh, man, I really want to learn this and then like, kind of sit down and try and learn it. And I’ll maybe do it for a few days. But then after that, we’ll kind of die away. And I’ll kind of just forget about it. So I probably didn’t truly want to do it or learn that particular thing or skill, because I guess you do end up getting a certain level of obsession about a certain thing that you do really want to do. So then, you know, maybe we like saying, that’s why I that’s why I said earlier, like, Oh, don’t put a play piano between this time, because it, you’re putting it at that time, maybe you just aren’t feeling it at that time. But say earlier on you were

Daniel Redfearn  35:39
everything you do do because you want to

Subaan Qasim  35:41
kind of, but then it’s hard because you don’t always want to do things you want, there will probably always other things you want to be doing at a particular time when you have to be doing certain things. So it’s a bit of a double edged sword is it’s hard to balance. Yeah, it’s interesting, you guys said, um,

Nasir Kharma  35:56
or like Dan just said, Now, like, Whatever you do, like you want to do it at that time. Because I really believe that wanting to do something, and doing it or needing to do it should not be tied together. Like I told myself, I already thought about wanting to do chess, or wanting to learn more about chess. And so I set it for a time or a day. And then when that day comes that I told myself, I was going to think about chess doesn’t matter if I want to do it at that time or not. I already told myself, I was going to do it at that time. And I try really hard not to link those two things together. Sounds very robotic, and sounds very, like, I don’t know how to describe it. But I think if I put too much emphasis on do I want to do something right now, I’m never doing it. Like when I sit down at the end of the day, and like you said, You’re free? And you’re like, well, what should I do? Now? I don’t think about what do I want to do, I open up my to do list and I’m like, these are the things that I should be doing. Let me choose one of them. Whatever I think I can do in this period of time, or what I have the brain capacity for like energy levels for right now. More than I feel like doing this, and it’s something that I’m trying to work on, because I don’t think it’s an optimal way to be living your life. I think like balance is important. Absolutely everything agree learning to balance a bit back on that and like, actually take the time to just like, truly enjoy a process as opposed to tick it off as a box on my to do list is important. But yeah, it like, it’s interesting, because my girlfriend is the same she like she does think that she does things that she feels like doing when the time is right for them. I don’t know if I’ve like really felt that ever. You know, I just like tell myself what I’m gonna do. And then I do it.

Daniel Redfearn  37:37
There there is that I do have to definitely say that there’s you need discipline, when in you can’t just do things because you want to because I can’t just like say, Oh, I don’t want to study today. And then the next day. I don’t want to study today. Obviously, it’s instinct again, you know, like the discipline instead of it coming from something that I’ve written down. The discipline is coming from my instinct and that I need to send these emails today. It’s been three days since they emailed me I need to get back to them. And so the editing thing again, so I’m not sitting down. I wasn’t right and saying do things because you want to do it is more doing things when I when I feel like it’s the right time. But yeah, it’s relying on instinct, I have to trust that my instincts are not going to let me down. And that won’t always work. So as you said, I completely agree. Balance is important. I don’t think either perfect. I don’t think either bad. That depends on the circumstance, your lifestyle. And yet sometimes. So we’ve got the end of placement survey coming up. I missed the first one is very bad. Maybe Maybe this is an example. So for this one, I put a reminder on my phone. So I have done that. It’s not like, um, I never do anything like that. It’s more just that we’ll be there if I do happen to forget because I can’t afford to forget that time. Yeah. So yeah,

Nasir Kharma  38:47
so you almost have like the first level of doing things in your head. And then you have the safety net, or this like second level, which is like to set an alarm or write it down on a to do list, or whatever,

Daniel Redfearn  38:57
if it’s something absolutely pivotal that I think I could forget. So that’s actually the only example I can think of for a long time where I’ve set an alarm for something. It’s usually something that’s small but important. So you know, like the end of placement server is not like a big important thing in our lives to do

Nasir Kharma  39:12
necessarily, it actually is, believe it or not, because it counts towards your professionalism. Mark. And I know this because I didn’t do a single one in my like first year or not my first year whenever we started doing a placement, and then I got an email from the union. They’re like, No, you actually have to do these they count towards your professionalism record. And ever since then, I’ve set an alarm every time and like I do as soon as it comes out. I don’t know what to forget.

Daniel Redfearn  39:35
So yeah, I just in case anyone in the faculty is listening. It’s so important to do.

Subaan Qasim  39:43
Yeah, but it’s more as we record this segment.

Daniel Redfearn  39:47
Because it’s not like I’m an exam, you know, if it’s an exam or something, then you just don’t forget to think about it every day. If you didn’t write down that you’ve got an exam on the 11th of January, you would still know that when you’ve got that exam. It’s just that’s a variable thing, the end of placement survey. So I put that one down just in case. But the whole, almost always is more just like a feeling. And you just know, after something I haven’t done today, and if you just think about it from it, you’ll be like, Oh, yeah, is this? I don’t know. But yeah, neither a perfect dealt depends. Did you have any thoughts on that? Subaan sort of rambling? No,

Subaan Qasim  40:21
already. I mean, I think that kind of sums up quite quite nicely. In terms of, like, learning things as well, I guess. Yeah, trying to timetable things that you’re trying to learn or the skills that you’re trying to gain is hard to timetable that kind of stuff. Because Yeah, like I said, Before, we it’s probably best to become obsessed about something to truly learn something well, and that’s kind of a thing we meet me and Dan talk about. And this kind of podcast overall was about learning new things, and just figuring out the best way to learn new things and just learning them in general. So when it came to So the thing is, with YouTube, it’s actually a really good like Skill Builder, there’s so many things you need to do in terms of, you know, just well, forget about the whole idea aspect, but then there’s a, you know, you have to record something, then you have to probably edit it, and then you know, you can upgrade the quality lighting, sound edit all of that stuff, it’s actually quite a lot to learn. Yeah, and then there’s SEO tagging titles, that kind of stuff. Just absolutely, like insane, it can just go on forever. And then obviously, the level of it can just, you can start recording on your phone, then you go to a camera, then, you know, now you’re getting lenses now your lines up. So there’s a lot to learn with it when you were kind of like going through the steps through learning all of this see probably earlier on, when you started your channel, how did you go about learning that stuff? So the way say me and Dan usually go about learning things is we usually just gives us and we just spend all of our time any spare time that we have at least just learning that one thing. I know I still do that say when we were setting up the starting off this podcast, I knew the basics of sound and that kind of stuff. But I was I wasn’t as crisp as possible with you know, within a reasonable budget. So I spent, like probably the next three weeks all my spare time we just spent on just bingeing videos about sound and sound design and eat queuing and all of that microphones, microphone designs, the physics behind it. Yeah. Do you go about it that way? Or did you go about it in a more kind of natural way? Or say just kind of always like, Oh, I want to fix my lighting. So let me just spend the next three weeks learning about lighting

Nasir Kharma  42:20
exactly what you described. If I think of something that I need to do, whether that’s edit a video or research, which light should I buy, or which microphone Should I buy, or whatever, I literally, I won’t go to the bathroom, I won’t eat, I won’t drink like, I won’t do anything until it’s done. Like after, after I fly home from a different country like ion pack and tidy my room to the point of perfection before I do anything, like I can’t go to bed unless I’ve done all of that. Like once I’ve put myself into something, specifically anything tech related like this, the best way to suck up all my time, I will just I will laser focus into that thing. But my objective is always do this as efficiently and quickly as possible as to make a decision as soon as possible. Like, like when you said you spent three weeks looking into like the lighting with a microphone or whatever. In my head. I’m like, Oh my god, that’s so long, like three weeks, I would like I would rather just sit down for like 12 hours in a day. And like figure it on, make sure that but by the time I go to bed, I have made a purchasing decision, then like spread it out over days, because that’s something that stresses me as well like not completing a task, like having it unchecked on my to do list or whatever. So I don’t know if that’s the right word, but I feel like I become neurotic. So the right word like I’m just like laser focus. Yeah. And like I have to do it before I move on to anything else to the point of not good things. Like, you know, putting off food or drink like an outing with a friend or something like meeting up at a friend’s house. Like No, no, I can’t come at nine, I must come at 930 because I have to finish this thing. So that’s something I’m working  on to passion, you That is passion too. I agree with that. And like, especially with this YouTube thing when I was growing, like when I learned what SEO was, I wanted to be the best seo person. And when I learned about like lighting, I was like, what’s the best way I can do lighting and just for the audience was SEO, Search Engine Optimization. So figuring out what words to put in your title, your thumbnail, and your description and tags to make your video more searchable. You’re basically describing to a computer what the contents of your video is. And there’s like really good ways to do that. There’s really bad ways to do that. It’s like a whole science. Is that like a good description of like Seo? Yeah, like a website or anything that you have on the internet. Anyway, it definitely stems from like our passion, like a real deep interest in like,

Daniel Redfearn  44:37
wanting to do something and then doing it that way. That’s why we have the concept of the podcast being called like Getting It because in that way you’re actually understanding how it works instead of just looking online like yeah, how can I better get my searches to my audience, you actually get how that works. Now I see. And I think in doing something obsessively, and just letting your emotion drive you or your passion drive you there so Olga, it’s so natural, you’re doing until you feel like you’ve had enough of learning about it, you know? Because when does that stop? Do you just go do not eat for four days, you end up stopping at the point where you feel satiated, to keep on with the food words. So, yeah, that’s what I really like about sort of my eyes light up, when I see someone who I can see they’re passionate about something, because it’s such good news, it doesn’t matter what they’re passionate about, even if it’s something like an ant, you know, something that is not necessarily important because it’s the trait that’s valuable. It’s not necessarily just the thing there. So, and, and that’s where I think a lot of success come from and something because it’s genuine, you’re doing it because you enjoy it. And yeah, you haven’t limited yourself with it. So just to realize I’ve veered off a bit, you were talking about getting as a YouTube channel grew like you taught yourself with the editing.

Nasir Kharma  45:48
Yeah, I taught myself absolutely everything. And I learned it through YouTube video tutorials, everything I learned every transition, every effect, every cut any gear I’ve ever bought, like how to improve in anything I learned through video tours and watching other people. Yeah, it’s an incredible resource, you can literally learn anything you want. It’s crazy, when it’s really easy, it’s crazy. And the craziest part is, you can get an entire degree in something online, but not having that piece of paper from the university completely discredited, per se, but when but we’re moving more and more towards an era where demonstrating your skills is so much easier to make it accessible. And what I mean by that is you can demonstrate your skills by producing a product for someone so much more easy easily today, then you could like many years ago, by making a website by producing something tangible that they can interact with, to prove your skill without like a university degree certificate or something.

Daniel Redfearn  46:44
I think that’s where the sector of the Internet has come from in the product, the people who want to be productive, because information can be get can be received so readily these days, in that you can basically learn something to a degree level on your own without even working that hard, almost, if you just find a channel that just does these lessons, you just sit there and just learn. It’s incredible what you can do. And the credibility thing is really important as well. Because obviously in the past, you’d have the degree, you know, I’ve got a first class degree from here, this is how good I am at the subject. Now, for example, if you’re speaking to someone about your YouTube channel, instead of it being a degree certificate, you can give them the certificate of I have a lot of viewers or you can watch the video, but it’s interesting how credibility is measured. So yeah, I don’t know. That’s basically

Subaan Qasim  47:27
kind of like an online just a public portfolio, almost like a YouTube channel. And, and then going back to the learning thing on YouTube. Man, I think a lot of people just still don’t really appreciate how much you can learn. Just on youtube for free is up some channels. I’m just I’ve watched him like how the hell is this free? Yeah, unbelievable. Absolutely. But I remember when I was learning, see the video editing visual effects and stuff. Around 1010 years ago, at this point, I was on forums and stuff. The tutorial space was pretty small. At that point, they were very still very limited. That’s how my channel master group grew when it’s becoming more popular, even though I’d stopped making tutorials at that point, like three years before, but you know, it just stopped picking up because people thought, oh, YouTube actually has this kind of thing. Like, well, this kind of community. So yeah, I wish people kind of really took it on in terms of being able to realize how much you can learn. And you don’t really need a certificate in terms of a degree to be able to say you’re good at something, or you can say you are I am this or something, you can just learn it on YouTube. And I think it’s actually one of the most efficient ways to learn. There’s like, okay, say if you want to buy a particular new tech product or do something else, in general, just learn a new thing that that you were just intrigued by, say investing on like, you know, trading, day trading or something, day trading, probably not a good example with all the scammers out there. But say investing. I remember when I was starting off, I read one book. And then after that, everything else was just off YouTube, basically in reading a few blogs, but most of it was just YouTube. I think when I stopped, I would just search something that I needed to kind of understand. And I’ll just open up like the first 10 just all in new tabs, I wouldn’t even watch a video, then I’d search something slightly similar but not exactly to what I wrote to get slightly different videos. And if I would still see some of the same videos, I knew I was searching it correctly. So it’s like reverse SEO ng. And once I started understanding SEO A while ago, and just understanding that more, I was getting better at reversing it to kind of get all the related videos in one Buddha tree, I’d have 100 tabs open, then I make spend the next like 10 hours just watching the videos that like two three times features as far as I can, you can pass that into like if learning is like a sigmoid curve, that plateau bit at the beginning, which is where most people get stuck. You can pass that very quickly. Now these days where it’s first it was pretty difficult. That’s why people would give up is all you need to dedicate yourself to a degree or something. Now you can get past that and then you suddenly on that really steep part. And that’s our kind of thing that was

Nasir Kharma  49:57
done on that first plateau. The biggest hurdle there was accessibility. Like the biggest problem there is not sitting down and like learning for an hour, it’s like, where do I get that actually valuable information. And a 10 minute YouTube video that summarizes the most important points is the absolute best way to get that information. And it almost like jumps you from right at the beginning straight to that steep incline. And then you can just work from there. And that’s what the Internet has, like given to us, via these YouTube tutorials, and whatever, it’s just a way to skip all the really hard part and that invaluable information is right at your fingertips.

Subaan Qasim  50:29
Yeah, I was just gonna say you, you can become like a relative relative expert pretty quickly and become pretty good at something pretty quickly, within a matter of a couple of months, you can pretty much scrub up all of YouTube for a particular niche, get the best out of it and become pretty good. It depends on what you’re taking from it. But you can become pretty good at it. As long as you kind of cut out the crap that gets embedded within all of it,

Daniel Redfearn  50:54
I’ll just gonna really quickly add to it that the thing I think that’s so unique about it, as well as you can tailor it to yourself, you know, so when you go to attend a class, I’ll find that they start talking about something I already knew about for 10 minutes, and then you know, five minutes of valuable content. For me, the crazy thing about YouTube is Yeah, in a in a topic on history, for example, I might notice that and battle really well. You can literally tell it exactly what you want to learn about so quickly, it can be so efficient. If I think it’s there’s also an art to like, to knowing what to listen to and what not to listen to. When you’re when you’re online, then it can be done very efficiently. So I agree.

Nasir Kharma  51:31
One thing that like, boils my blood and like irks me to the core is feeling like my time is not being used correctly. And never do I feel that more than when I’m sitting in a lecture in real time. And there’s like a technical difficulty, or someone’s talking very, very slowly or goes off on a tangent that I know isn’t relevant to what I need to learn right now. And that feeling of like, Oh my God, this could be cut out. And I could be moving on to the next sentence that is actually relevant to me or whatever. Just like boils my blood. And so when I listen to a lecture recording, I can switch through that. And that cuts out that yeah, that problem. Yeah. And similarly, when I’m learning something via YouTube, I, you filter through the banned videos so quickly, and so easily you jump to exactly the information that you need. And so it just makes everything so much more accessible and so much more simple, easy and efficient to learn.

Daniel Redfearn  52:21
And I think that’s where the productivity part of the internet comes from what I’m saying like, yeah, it’s grown so much, because people are now aware, Oh, damn now is really up to me. Because it is possible to learn something so quickly. Now, you know, it’s my responsibility to be able to do that almost, you know,

Nasir Kharma  52:35
I agree. Like, has anyone ever said to you guys, like, I don’t know how to do that. Or I can’t do that.

Daniel Redfearn  52:42
It’s very frustrating. I can’t learn a language. And when someone

Nasir Kharma  52:44
says that to me, like inside, I’m like, dude, like, of course you can or like new data or whatever. Well, there I go back to like, making sure enough. Dude, whatever I’m talking to, like, of course, you can like have you have you know, like seen YouTube of you not like a googled online courses. Have you seen what Skillshare and brilliant org and all these other amazing websites are offering like sponsored? soon coming on, I want to say, Yeah, I have this firm belief that I get into trouble with my friends when I bring it up all the time, because some of them really disagree with me. But I genuinely believe that if you spend enough time doing something and learning something, you can become an expert at it, you can become great, you can become top 1%. In the world, there’s like this thing called the 10,000 hour rule. You guys have heard of this, if you spend 10,000 hours doing something, you will become an expert in that topic or like top 1% or whatever. And I genuinely couldn’t believe in that more. Like, I feel like every skill I have everything I’ve learned whatever it is that I’m good at. It’s not because I was born with it. I’m not genius. I’m not really smart. I just spend a lot of time doing these things. I’m like learning them in different environments and experiences with different people and whatever. And that’s what makes me good at something. Yeah, that’s when I feel confident in something.

Daniel Redfearn  54:00
As long as you have an internet connection, you can access that exactly. And how credible How? Well, you can do that.

Subaan Qasim  54:07
Yeah, I mean, this is a bit of a tangent, but that’s why I think starlink you know what space, or Elon Musk is doing with SpaceX and soft sighing man, I think that is gonna be insane because the whole mission of that is just to bring high speed internet to like the entire world. And specifically say the areas say like Africa was certain like Central Africa, some areas where there’s just pretty poor internet connection, if any, in certain areas. That’s going to unlock an entire world that is going to like it at least for learning for them and being able to get access to the resource. I think if there was like one resource outside of the necessities like food and water, like say a kind of a luxury. The Internet might go

Nasir Kharma  54:46
A stable internet connection.

Subaan Qasim  54:49
100% But yeah, so it would just open up so much for them in terms of learning and getting their work out there as well because pro there is like on top to put Because sometimes you get those occasional stories with, like, people from those kind of, say certain villages or certain areas where they just don’t really have many facilities, it kind of gets out. And then it booms and there’s so good for what they have and making use of what they have. If they have access to some of the content or knowledge or resources of the internet, it’d be absolutely insane. But that’s the whole Gist aside,

Nasir Kharma  55:20
it’s actually very relevant to one of the first things we talked about in this podcast was, which was where does the majority of my audience come from? And I said that India is number one. And I was talking to Dan about this last week. And I was saying, like, yeah, that kind of surprised me, cuz I just sort of assumed everyone watching me would be from the UK, or Canada or the US. And so I did some research on it. And it turns out that there is this entire generation of people in India who over the last sort of five to six years have had access to cheap and reliable internet. And this group of people happen to be very, like goal focused, goal oriented, education focused academic, like high achievers, people who want to learn. And so there’s been this trend in the last like, I don’t know, like five or six years where the, like videos that are about like education, or learning or whatever, have had this big influx of people watching from India. And so that like, goes back to exactly what you’re saying, like, once you provide this internet access to places that didn’t have it before, you’re gonna get this whole wave of people, this whole generation of people who are so curious and want to learn and want to do things. And yeah, it’s just gonna grow from there.

Daniel Redfearn  56:30
And it’s almost like a responsibility now that all the information is there, it’s up to you to have the right attitude towards it and be prepared to learn. And it almost adds a pressure, like, you know, this is all out there, really, I should be making the most of it, you know, the generation we’re in, I think that’s where a lot of it comes from, as well. People who want to make it a sort of lifestyle to be productive make the most of their time, because they’re aware of how lucky we are, you know, and how much potential there is and what we can learn. So yeah, that’s,

Nasir Kharma  56:57
yeah, but I think that depends on the person. Like, for me, for example, I can certainly relate to what you just said, like, I feel like there’s just this huge opportunity out there. And I’m like, every second that I’m not working towards going, getting that opportunity. I’m like, I’m wasting that time, and I should be working towards in blah, blah, blah. But a lot of people are just like, that’s not what makes them happy. That’s not what they’re focused on. And I think that’s also completely fine. A lot of people that I know, like, just want to take a more relaxed approach and like what makes them happiest sort of enjoying their presence, enjoying their surroundings, not necessarily being trying to achieve achieve achieve achieve, because it obviously can be tiring and can be stressful as well. So I think it depends depends on the type person, the information is out there, and you can get it if you want to. But also, if you don’t want it, then you can just like chill quarters you can pursue you know, your whatever it is that makes you happy somewhere.

Subaan Qasim  57:44
Oh, man. But yeah, I guess we should probably wrap it up there. It’s been over two hours, which

Nasir Kharma  57:52
I’m sorry, the difficulty. Unfortunately, will not be offering my editing services.

Daniel Redfearn  58:00
I will not be offering my non existence as well. You can have anything you want. I mean, we just have to say yeah, thank you very, very much for coming on, guys.

Nasir Kharma  58:08
It’s actually it’s actually been so much fun. Yeah. And I feel like you both you opened me up quite a lot at the beginning. And I got really like vulnerable at times. And I shared a lot of information. Which was good. It’s good to it’s good to be reflective, you know, and like I want to be a more reflective person. I do not reflect enough. So yeah, thanks for having me on. Thanks for this opportunity. It was it was really, really fun.

Daniel Redfearn  58:30
Thank you very much again. It’s a pleasure.


Daniel Redfearn  58:33

Nasir Kharma  58:34

Subaan Qasim  58:36
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Daniel Redfearn  58:38
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Subaan Qasim  58:47
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