The Importance of Responsibility and Accountability – Shower Thoughts ep. 04

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In this episode, we delve into the nature of responsibility and task completion. We talk about some of the factors directly influencing motivation as well as the benefits and drawbacks of setting concrete goals.

Key discussion points in this episode:

  • Time often dictates our drive to complete a task
  • Responsibility influences how much we priorities tasks
  • Aiming too low or too high when setting targets can directly influence the outcome
  • Debate on the value of long-term goals

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Subaan Qasim  00:12
And in the shower thoughts episode, we delve into the nature of responsibility and task completion. We talk about some of the factors directly influencing motivation, as well as the benefits and drawbacks of setting concrete goals.

Daniel Redfearn  00:25
Okay, so it’s coming up to that time of year again, it’s like six years in a row. Now something where we’ve got exams, you know, is the best time of year. And it’s very much like if you drew out the cycle of stress throughout the year, it’s like a nice little increasing spike at this point. Because again, closer, and it makes me Well, it makes me think about how the amount that you revise goes up so steadily, or that the average person revises goes up so steadily trending when you’re when you’re getting near to the day of the exam. And you can apply that to a lot of different contexts, right? So for example, two weeks ago, I had a very important deadline. It was the project that everyone in my year had to do throughout the whole year, like a quality improvement project. Yeah. And it got to the last weekend just before it was due, and again, same thing as always the classic right. All right, last year, at Imperial I, I did an all nighter for every single deadline the night before. And it wasn’t just me the majority of the class. Now, I know you’re a very good student. So

Subaan Qasim  01:28
I mean, I’ve done an all night, every single exam this year as well

Daniel Redfearn  01:31
Okay, maybe not as good as I thought, well, yeah. It’s something we all do right now is very common. And you can apply that again, even more broadly to a lot of different contexts in general life, you know, like, you only send an email when it gets to that, well, me anyway, I start, I think about replying to certain emails, when it gets to that point where it’s a bit rude,

Subaan Qasim  01:48
man, I find it so hard to reply to emails or send an email that I need to send off. I know, it will literally take me five minutes, even if it’s an important email, 25 minutes to write. But for some reason, I find it so hard to get myself to do it. I don’t know, I think it just runs in my family. Because my brother had the same problem. My dad had the same problem, just deleting emails. And when you get around to it, as I only took about a minute and a half, spent two weeks procrastinating about it, once you start is fine.

Daniel Redfearn  02:13
Yeah. And also, for me, I ended up with a bunch of messages to from people who I haven’t replied to for a few days, and it starts to build up, and you feel increasingly guilty as time goes on. But again, that there may not be a real deadline for that. But you still have that sense of you know, it’s been longer and longer since our replied, I should really get around to it. Once you start and you sit down and reply to one person, it’s easy to get through the list of people and you know, kind of tick things off. But it was just yeah, essentially, the closer I get to the exams, I think, why is it each year that I end up doing the same thing, and that we all end up doing the same thing? And I looked up a little bit and we found this theory. So the temporal motivation theory, which you What were you saying is the name of the law, Parkinson’s Law? Yeah, they’re very closely related. So it’s like an exponential increase of motivation as you get closer to the deadline of something.

Subaan Qasim  03:07
Yeah. So that’s what what’s it called time,

Daniel Redfearn  03:09
the temporal motivation theory,

Subaan Qasim  03:11
temporal motivation theory. So I think what that says is, yeah, as you get close to the deadline, your motivation or stress or your motivation to do something increases massively, exponentially as you get closer to the deadline. Parkinson’s Law is kind of states the inverse, where it’s kind of like the time dilation effect for a particular task. If you are given a month to do a task, you will take a month to do the task, not necessarily because you were you spent a month actually working on it every single day, but because you didn’t work on it for two and a half, or like, three and a half weeks, only spent a couple of days doing it, because or the temporal motivational theory says that your motivation to do it increases then goes much lower when you initially set that deadline. So I suppose that’s one way to kind of take advantage of the temporal motivation theory. Was it TMT is I’m just gonna call it TMT. So yeah, that’s one thing I started doing is once I learned about Parkinson’s Law, I always knew about Parkinson’s Law, but I didn’t know what it was called, and the actual kind of grounding of it. When I learned that I would always set myself really strict like almost pushing myself deadlines, like something that would I would usually take three weeks to do, I would give myself to do in like three days, and you just end up doing it. Because I’ve just given myself not any other option of putting some kind of thing to just prevent me from extending the deadline. And it just forces me to do it, because my motivation is very high to do it according to the TMT theory to TMT. So I’m kind of utilizing Parkinson’s Law against if that makes sense.

Daniel Redfearn  04:51
So another way we could visualize it, I wish I could draw up the graph to tell me if you disagree with it, because that could be the case. But if you imagine the x axis is time And the y axis is work done. Okay? We’re saying it’s exponential, right, like the amount for for that project, it was very, very low all year. work done as time passed, and then it went up very quickly towards the end. Yeah, I did the work in the end. And you could look at the area under the curve, right, you can look at the area under the line and calculate that. And if I had obviously like a very flatline, throughout the year, I would end up with the same area. And the same amount of work done technically, is just the distribution of time, I chose us to push it all to the end. One way that I’m looking at the exams this year, for example, is that I can’t because because what we want to do ultimately is increase the area under the line. Right? that would that would be all balanced it out balanced out or increase it if you want to improve.

Subaan Qasim  05:42
Yeah, just become more productive, I guess. Yeah, yeah.

Daniel Redfearn  05:44
Yeah. So for me, I want to do I want to do as well as possible in these exams in May, because these are the last exams of med school that count the last written exam that comes to my like, final grade. So what I’m telling myself is that I can’t possibly learn everything by maytime. Yeah. So I, I’m basically at the exponential part already. Hit that inflection point. Yeah, hit the inflection point already. Because I’ve realized that I can’t possibly learn everything that I need to learn. So in doing that, I’ve kind of put a responsibility on myself at this point already, to work very hard for the exam. And ultimately, I’m hoping that the area under the curve has increased a lot. And also the the curves flattened out a bit naturally, obviously, in the days before I’ll be cramming like crazy and stress and stuff. But yeah, it’s that sort of sense of urgency, and it kind of accelerating that sense of urgency to now. Yeah, and I guess it’s the added factor of being the last exam. So I know that NECK WHEN IT COMES TO next year, I probably why naturally won’t have the same drive to study, it won’t be the same drive, I still will have a drive to study. In fact, I think I’ll have still a quite a strong drive to study, because next year will be my last year. So I’ll be a doctor after that. So next year, I’ll be graduating, so I need to kind of be competent by that point. But the bottom line of what I’m trying to say right now is this is the last exam that counts. So it’s the last big sense of motivation and responsibility that I’ll have for an exam of this nature. So yeah, that’s where it came from. And then I was thinking more broadly into, like, what responsibility means in general, and what why responsibility is such a good thing. Because I look at the traits I have in my personality. And some of the better traits that I have, I noticed developed from a point of responsibility at some point in my life, and some of the worst traits that I have, for example, my sleep, that’s a very bad trait of mine, in my opinion, genuinely, I think that actually affects my daily life, the fact that I am not mature enough to just get up. You know, I mean, yeah, I just don’t, there’s no reason for it, I will just stay up until three 4am a lot of the time, and then wake up at you know, 1112 even. And it’s the responsibility thing, isn’t it? Because there’s no, there’s no specific reason for me to get up early unless I have placement or something, which I don’t have to go to every day. So I’ve slipped back into the other cycle quite easily anyway. What what are your thoughts so far?

Subaan Qasim  08:05
Yeah, I mean, I guess I can just relate to everything you said, I think most people also can, when we have certain deadlines and stuff, we’re just gonna end up doing most of the work before the actual deadline. And I guess every time we’re like, Okay, I’m never gonna do that again. And I’ll actually make sure to start off early, every single academic year, I’m going to start off, you know, making more flashcards doing more revision everything early on. So when it comes to exam time, I’m not in that same place. And in first year, I actually kind of did that, or I didn’t really I started in December time, but and that’s when I started taking it seriously. But then when it actually came to me, May June, I was actually not really doing much work, because I’ve done most or actually stay consistent. I was like, this is actually kind of legit, you know, it works. And But yeah, I haven’t been able to replicate that since then, unfortunately. But I guess one thing related to responsibility is accountability. So it’s not so much that exams, kind of, it’s not you have a responsibility with exams too much. It’s more that you’re kind of holding yourself accountable. Most people don’t want to fail the exam. But they’re not. I guess you’re responsible for yourself, but you’re also accountable, right? Because it reflects on yourself. So any result that comes out of that exam is no reflection on yourself. So you’re being you’re accountable for that. And it’s hard to kind of see the level of the accountability that you have when you are far out from the deciding event, basically. So I think that’s kind of what leads to this kind of exponential rise.

Daniel Redfearn  09:35
I think another thing as well is it shows a lot about what we naturally tend towards because as soon as you take away the pressure, I’m I’m not doing as much work so it shows that I’m naturally tending towards being a bit lazy, unfortunately, and I guess it does tie in to the thing you were saying about accountability, where I’m not holding myself accountable for doing the work in the same way. If I’m not like seeing something on the horizon, you know, an exam or something like that. So what I was saying before about trying to increase the area under the curve. So for example, with language learning, there’s a similar thing in that, you know, I’m not going to China anytime soon, for example. So there’s nothing stopping me from like taking a break for a year or two, and then continue it later on. But I think you can also create a sense of urgency in yourself. Not from like an arrogant standpoint, but more from like a standpoint of I, I want to be as good as possible like this. So any minute of the day, where I have the energy to work, and I’m not working is almost wasted. I’m not trying to say, you know, rise and grind, like work, you know, 14 hours a day, I’m saying when you feel like you have the capacity, do it because I will never be perfect in Mandarin. That’s kind of a motivating factor, if that makes sense. Because there’s no completion point. I think when you set a completion point, it’s always a very good thing. But at the same time, you can see it as, okay, I’m sitting, I’m sitting an exam on May the 20th. That’s my completion point. After that, I can relax. With language learning, there’s no real like, hard deadline on certain things like learning piano or like a hobby. Yeah, there’s no hard deadline. So I think looking at it from the perspective of I will never be perfect in this drives you to be motivated more, if that makes sense. So it’s a shift in the nature of the responsibility, it’s a responsibility on yourself to want to just be better. So yeah, you can have external or internal sources of responsibility.

Subaan Qasim  11:25
I think that actually explains a lot of tractors too, by learning new skills, or taking up new hobbies, and continuing them is quite difficult. Because you don’t really have a sense of responsibility, or you don’t have any accountability for it. If I say, I want to start learning x safe, I want to start learning Mandarin. nothing’s really holding me accountable, or no one’s holding me accountable. Really, I guess that’s the whole usefulness of it of an accountability partner. But most the time people don’t, it’s hard to get a really real true accountability partner. So yeah, if I say I want to learn Mandarin, but I don’t really, really have any kind of end goal, kind of, if that makes sense. say if I booked a holiday to China, next year, I’m probably gonna have some kind of drive to learn Mandarin, and probably will, all throughout because I know the scale of the task. Obviously, you can’t just learn it in the last couple of weeks. So that would drive me and I have a sense of accountability or responsibility in the fact that I don’t want to make a fool of myself in China for wanting to go around speaking Mandarin. So if you’re trying to learn a new skill, whatever that may be, it’s very easy to just become complacent because you don’t have a deadline or some kind of thing to work towards directly is all very intangible. Like I can kind of see improvement. But I think that’s where it kind of putting your progress in public, or giving yourself goals. I think Thomas Franco, you know, Thomas Frank. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I think he said that what he would do is, I can’t remember if it was him, or Yeah, I think the example he was using was, I skipped figure skating, where he, when he started getting into it, he signed himself up for a competition, I think it was figure skating, if not, basically the example holds. It kind of motivated him to or drove him to just keep practicing and stay consistent. Because he didn’t want to make a fool of himself in the competition. And he’s already signed himself up for any kind of goal. Yeah. And it’s not necessarily his goal to you know, perform well in it. But he just made the goal

Daniel Redfearn  13:29
was not make a fool of himself. Is that right?

Subaan Qasim  13:31
Yeah. Okay, yeah, that was his goal. And then to do that, that’s going to give you a certain level of drive to continue practicing, or not become complacent at any one time. So I think that’s quite a good strategy. So if you’re going to start doing something, just start putting put yourself a deadline, or some kind of tasks that you need to achieve in, and then that probably helps. Um, okay,

Daniel Redfearn  13:51
I’m gonna sound a bit controversial here. And I don’t want to come across in the wrong way. But I have to be honest, I kind of slightly disagree. Okay, I think that’d be going against the grain a little bit. Because you’re, then you’re setting yourself a specific area under that curve we were talking about before, for example, so not making a fool of yourself, you have to get to a certain level, right, and figure skating, but there’s the there’s not as much driving you to exceed that. It’s like if you set a goal, the problem was setting a goal, like in my opinion, like a specific goal. weight. Okay, I know we’re doing loads of analogies right now. But let me do a personal one, if that kind of makes sense. So I’m getting into chess slowly. I’m very bad for free driving on chess.com, by the way, and I could set the goal of like, Oh, I want to have a rating of 1200 by the end of the year. But the problem is, I will naturally accelerate or decelerate based off of that goal, if that makes sense. So I’ve set that goal and I’m like 1100 by August. I bet a lot of people me included probably would slow down and think oh, I only have 100 to get to the end of the year. A goal can help me motor can motivate you if you lack like a drive to do it in the first place. But if you really want to do something, I don’t think setting a goal is necessary. I don’t think setting a hard goal is necessarily the best thing, because you’re limiting yourself to that goal. And away, I guess, this is probably a well established concept anyway. But I like the perspective of this is what I was saying before. And it’s almost like an arrogant way of looking at it. But looking at it in the sense of, I could, my potential is limitless, and so is going to just basically be correlated with the amount of time I put into it, too. If I spend, you know, this year, my goal with chess is, well, I enjoy it. So there’s nothing stopping me from doing it as much as possible. When I say as much as possible. I mean, just, you know, factoring that into my day, for example, you know, like playing a couple of games just after I woke up, not setting a high goal, basically, because I enjoy it. And I think if you’re truly passionate about something, you don’t necessarily need to set a goal in the same way because your enjoyment or drive you to just do as well as you possibly can. I don’t know, I completely understand if you disagree,

Subaan Qasim  15:53
yeah, I wouldn’t personally set a hard goal where this is like what you’re trying to get, it’s more just, you know, this is the minimum, I guess, it depends on your mindset around it, or if you are gonna, so I guess his goal that he said was, I’m gonna enter this competition, right? Whatever that means to him, he’s just gonna enter that competition. Now, obviously, naturally, you don’t want to make a fool of yourself and to you probably want to do quite well, if you’re like an ambitious person. So that’s what ultimately is going to drive you to do as well as possible. It depends, if you’re in your natural tendencies to just do the bare minimum, if you do, then setting goals is probably not so great, unless you’re very smart about setting your goals where it’s just out of your reach, or right at the peak of your ability so that you’re gonna have to work maximally together. So it depends on what type of person you are, in that circumstance.

Daniel Redfearn  16:34
How about also you’re going to carry, I was just going to say, how about setting yourself a very long term goal. So a lot of the goals, I find that the more short term, I make a goal, like for example, this exam coming up or the project a couple of weeks ago, those are examples, in my opinion of me not doing not approaching it in the best way possible. Because I’m, I’m having to set a goal I’m having to, you know, kind of motivate myself to work towards it, as opposed to Yeah, the languages or chess, for example, where I’m not really setting myself a specific goal. Because I see it as like, you know, there’s an endless potential if I just have to put in the time. So I’m always kind of motivated to do it. Because I know that even if I spend all the time my life on it, I’m never going to be the best at it. I have to do as much as possible whenever anyway, and I’ll never reach it, you could see it as the motivating thing, or what’s the point then. But it kind of means that you’re doing it out of pure, genuine enjoyment for it. And it’s not, because you’ve bound yourself to a goal. So the kind of summary of what I’m saying here is a goal is good to make you do something, when either you don’t really want to do it, or you’re not doing it quickly enough, or there’s like a timeframe involved. But I’m saying that the best way to dedicate yourself to something, arguably, is to not really set a goal and just do it because you know that it’s endlessly the endless, endless potential there. And, you know, you should always just be working at it when you can, and you should want to work at it. You shouldn’t need to be doing it because of a certain goal. I don’t know. That’s a weird one.

Subaan Qasim  17:56
Yeah, so I see where you’re coming from. But I don’t entirely agree. Because with everything, anything, any kind of knowledge set, any kind of discipline or skill, whatever, you’re always going to be constantly improving, there is no hard set limit as to Okay, now I’m really good. It’s just gonna keep going up and up. So anything if it’s photography, so you just keep getting better and better. So it’s not as language is everything. So the other thing is, is it’s very hard to kind of grasp what you mean, by just improving, if you’re looking that far, or if you’re looking 10 years out, right, it’s very hard to see without having any kind of stepping stones in between, it just kind of becomes a very blurred gradient, or a very blurred ramp, basically. So it’s hard to kind of track your progress, because otherwise you could be putting in the time but not really making any progress if you don’t have any kind of goal or achievement you’re trying to get. Because what if you’ve been learning Mandarin for a year straight now, but now you still can’t hold a conversation or, or five years and you still can’t hold a conversation, because you never had that as a goal. Okay, at this point, I want to be able to hold a small conversation in Mandarin, right? Obviously, naturally, you’ll probably end up being able to do it. But you might end up being a lot more inefficient by going by using, you know, bad techniques or just poor techniques in terms of efficiency. You won’t test that. Like you’re never going to test if you don’t have any kind of interim or goals in between.

Daniel Redfearn  19:29
So I see what you’re saying. You’re saying that in having a goal, you can track your progress more and see, am I on track with what I set out to do? Or have I gone off? Or am I not being efficient with how I do it? Yeah, I think that’s fair enough. I think it’s something for me to reflect on because I am someone who I look extremely far into the future with my goals. I don’t really have like concrete goals. I just have things that I want to be better at. So like, I’m going to stick with the chess one for now. Because it’s topical. You can see your chess rating. You know how good you are. Mine is Tara And I know that over time, as I said, I will never have a rating, you know, like a 3000 rating, that’s just never gonna happen. It’s never gonna happen. If you think

Subaan Qasim  20:07
is never gonna happen,

Daniel Redfearn  20:08
it doesn’t happen unless I turn into a robot. But there’s nothing stopping me everyday from improving. And I know that. So that’s kind of just my goal, like, I don’t have a certain number in the future that I want to work towards. Because I want to just, I know that I’m passionate about it, I know that I enjoy doing it, I don’t want to limit myself, I’d have to be extremely good at goal setting to calculate exactly where my maximum capacity could drive me towards, you know, like, in terms of doing the chess, and also, I don’t know what life is gonna throw at me, I don’t know how much time I’m going to have. I think setting a goal is only applicable to the time when you’ve set it almost like I’m not going to be the same person in five years time. If I’ve set a goal that I’m limited to something that when I was 22, I was telling myself to do, as I said, Before, I know that I really enjoy chess, for as long as I enjoy, I just want to get better. And I know that there’s no ceiling, so I want to improve as much as possible.

Subaan Qasim  20:56
But that’s the goal of everything. Everyone has a goal that I just want, I want to be really good at x or something that just basically means I want to be infinitely good at whatever they’re aspiring to be good at.

Daniel Redfearn  21:05
And I’m saying that is the kind of goal, but I’m not setting like a concrete number. You know, I’m not setting a specific point. Yeah,

Subaan Qasim  21:13
yeah, the end goal shouldn’t or in terms of being good at something shouldn’t have finite value to it. But the stages along the way, like I feel do have to have some kind of low level of tangibility, if that’s even a word, if that makes sense. But yeah, I see where you’re coming from, I guess it depends on your mindset on how to do something. But I guess the other side of it is that you say that if you’re passionate, really, truly passionate about something, you don’t need to have some kind of motivation, or like some kind of goal to help you do the task to become better at something? I don’t know. Yeah, I don’t quite know about that one. Because you’re not always going to be perfectly motored motivated for that there might even be a large period of your life for like a year, but you just CBA with learning languages. It might be unlikely, but you might have that. But that doesn’t necessarily mean, you’re now not passionate about learning languages. Because, again, like you said, your life waxes and wanes through different periods, you don’t know what’s going to happen. for a certain period, something else might motivate you more, or you might have to do something else. But that doesn’t necessarily take away from your passion or drive or enjoyment out of doing something. And naturally, you will have periods where you just don’t really want to do it. That doesn’t mean you you aren’t passionate about the there was a period where with motion design and animation, I didn’t really just want to make anything, but I just really still enjoyed watching and learning about it. But I just didn’t want to make stuff. But sometimes I really just want to make and design stuff.

Daniel Redfearn  22:50
But if you had set a goal during that period, then you’d be working on it even when you didn’t really want to, is that right?

Subaan Qasim  22:56
Yes, that’s true. But some, yeah, sometimes you win every single task and every kind of endeavor, there are going to be periods where you just don’t really like it, or you’d kind of get a bit bored of it. And that’s what I’m saying, Yeah, but that doesn’t necessarily mean you should stop, because it’s probably just a transient period. And you can knock off a lot of momentum if you just suddenly stop entirely. Whereas if you have some kind of goal, say, I’m going to enter this piece of animation into a competition, right? Some motion design competition, contest or whatever. At one point, I might get demotivated for it, or, like, oh, man, I really just, I don’t want to do it, right. But the thing is, is that pushing through those kinds of periods, you will probably end up enjoying it, once you get into that state. Like of actually doing it, because you forced yourself at that point, you will probably just enjoy it for that certain period of time you’re working on it. And if something serious does come up, where you have to focus all of your attention and time to something else, then obviously you just can’t do it. That’s uh, you know, those situations probably aren’t extremely common. It depends on your life and lifestyle. But, yeah, I don’t think you should just let a slight dispassion against something for a certain period just make you stop entirely.

Daniel Redfearn  24:09
I do agree with that. But I don’t think you should just completely follow your passion as an, if you’re not feeling passionate, then you should stop. I do agree with that. But I’m saying that to keep going, I don’t think you need a concrete goal. You can, you can have a concrete goal and say I’m not motivated. But I said I was going to finish this by the end of the month. So I’m going to do it anyway. I think you can do it out of the understanding that you should just continue doing it regardless if that kind of makes sense. So for example, using the language learning, everyone knows that you need to make that something you need to maintain. So for example, in the last couple of months, I don’t I haven’t had the same amount of time to just sit down and write characters down and memorize it. So in some ways, that’s a like a reduction in motivation because I want to divide my time and give more to uni. But I know that I can’t completely stop. So I’m still you know, taking in media in Chinese and I’m still Sometimes practicing speaking it and listening to. So yeah, it hasn’t gone away, I just I have that very vague goal of just, I want to be as good as I possibly can, by the end of my life, you know, I would love to one day just be fluent. I haven’t got, I’ve got like, actually, to be fair, I’ve got a very rough goal of like, around 30 years old. So after saying all this coming up,

Subaan Qasim  25:21
yeah, yeah, but the thing is the reason I think you how you say you have this kind of vague goal is because it’s so far out. And those really far out goals are meant to be fairly general, to a certain extent anyway, because like you said, you might learn a lot quicker than you anticipated, you got a lot better, or maybe your progress is slower, right. So that’s why you have a goal for 20 years out, I want to be at this kind of level, or, you know, whatever. But

Daniel Redfearn  25:45
I know I’m not going to stop learning it unless I physically can’t. So I don’t, I don’t want to, you know, as we were saying, like, during the foundation years, for example, when I anticipate that I’d be really busy. If I said, I want to be fluent in five years time, that I’d be putting unnecessary pressure on myself and having to adapt my life to that goal, just to make it fit. Whereas I know that I’m motivated to learn it when it’s possible for me. And I don’t need any more motivation than that, if that kind of makes sense. So I know I have to keep it up. And I am keeping it up. And there’ll be times where I can dedicate more and less time to it. But just the knowledge that I want to one day we’ve learned, and whenever possible, get better at different rates or different time periods. That’s enough for me, basically, that’s what I’m saying. But yeah, as always, maybe everyone listening to this will completely disagree. And that’s fair enough. Maybe I’m just a bit wrong on this one. But that’s what I think currently.

Subaan Qasim  26:37
Yeah, okay. I do get what you mean, I think we are actually kind of going along the same lines in terms of what we’re saying. It’s just, yeah, I guess if you look at the just take the s&p 500, right. If you look at it in the relative short term, you know, it’s going up and down all the time. But I use zoom out. And it just kind of got that upward trajectory stocks only go up basically, sometimes more than others, by the way, yeah. But yeah, you kind of know that you you want to go up and you just kind of want to improve what you’re going to be at a specific point in time, you is very hard to predict, because you don’t know what’s going to happen in between. But you know, at the end that well, you should hopefully and you aspire to be better. And I guess it also comes about valuing the particular thing you were right, you’re also aspiring to value Mandarin and Chinese as a whole. Whereas, right now, how much you value it value Mandarin, is limited by how well you know, and how much you know about Mandarin. As you learn more, you are going to value it more, just because you understand more about it. So I guess there’s that aspect of also aspiring to just value something more as well, which will also drive you but I think we’re just kind of running around the same bush at this point, you want to bring it back to responsibility.

Daniel Redfearn  27:56
I think, actually, that’s a fairly good summary of what I wanted to talk about, to be honest. And the final point on responsibility was just that, throughout life, there are going to be times where you dedicate more, more of yourself to improving in a certain aspect. And I think it’s tied to responsibility a lot of the time, basically. So yeah, whether that be an exam coming up or responsibility to another person, I can imagine, like, if you’re, if you’ve got a child, for example, or being in a relationship, you gain certain responsibilities that just change you as a person, and that maybe you wouldn’t have taken on those changes otherwise. So I think looking out for opportunities to take on responsibility, like deliberately can be a good thing. And I think that’s probably why it’s valued so much in like job applications, uni applications and stuff, like demonstration of responsibility, because of the traits that it gives you. You know, it’s sort of like an element of maturity, maybe it’s something that I’m still learning about, and I’m in the early stages, but I realized that even understanding were even being given a responsibility, understanding the importance of that responsibility, and what it means is an element of maturity, being able to appreciate it.

Subaan Qasim  29:06
Respect. Yeah, I mean, I guess my final words would be is also kind of put, a lot of people always think about responsibility and responsibility on others like, Okay, I’m a team leader. So I’m responsible for the team and the outcome of this team and whatnot. So you’re responsible in terms of managing other people, a lot of people see responsibility like that. But then I guess the accountability is responsibility on yourself, basically. So forcing it upon yourself, I guess it comes back to the thing where I’m going to take responsibility to make sure that I do improve at you know, a rate and keep myself being pushed forward by signing myself up for this competition for this thing that I want to learn. Right. So I guess there are multiple ways to go about it, but I guess that’d be my final thing where utilize temporal motivational theory and Parkinson’s Law and set yourself don’t become complacent in being responsible and accountable for yourself and what you do and set stringent timelines but So don’t let yourself burn out on the pressure by trying to stick to all of those deadlines, especially if they are non mandatory, ie your extracurricular activities and live on from there.

Daniel Redfearn  30:11
Thank you for those wise words.

Subaan Qasim  30:13
Alright, peace.