What Makes a Conversation Valuable? – Shower Thoughts ep. 01

Show Notes

We discuss overthink a shower thought that branched from Subaan wondering if we should speed up our recordings before uploading them.

What makes a meaningful conversation and one that you derive value from? How can we hedge against potential lack of value? Should you consume content at 2x speed? How do we figure out if the other person isn’t taking value from what we’re saying? How do we gauge if others are engaged with us?

In Shower Thoughts we overthink those random questions and life-changing thoughts we frequently have in the shower and maybe come to a conclusion, all in a casual conversation.

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Subaan Qasim  00:05
Good evening Dan.

Daniel Redfearn  00:07
what are we talking about today then?

Subaan Qasim  00:08
So basically something that I’ve had on my mind a lot is whether we should actually upload these episodes at like two times speed or one and a half times, he basically sped up a bit rather than just a normal one times speed. And the whole kind of premise of this is what do we take, as value in our conversations, what defines the value in the conversations we have, or the time we spend with other people? Because and the reason I was thinking of speeding up these podcasts or episodes is because I feel like a lot of people still listen to things at one time speed. Whereas I know I don’t, because I use the speed to hedge against the potential of there being not much value in what I’m listening to, or what I’m watching. So speeding up at, say, two to three times speed, and I’m listening to a podcast or watching a YouTube video. I am essentially hedging against that potential lack of value. And for some slight lack of comprehension, losing sorts interrupt. So you’re saying, if you’re watching the video at 1.5, speed,

Daniel Redfearn  01:17
yeah, times speed, you’re not taking quite the same amount of information from the video. Yeah, but that’s being offset by the value of saving time watching the video, and then there’s nothing stopping you from going back and watching something again. Exactly. So it’s just a net gain overall.

Subaan Qasim  01:31
Yeah, so I might lose five to 10% comprehension. But the thing is, is that that’s only initially, and I’m because I’m so habituated to actually listening to things so fast, that I probably don’t really have much loss in comprehension. But then see, if I do my mind wanders for a bit, and then you know, I just missed the last 20 seconds, I just rewind 20 seconds with a click of a button. So for me, there’s a lot more like return on investment in terms of my time and that way. So and just listening to that, that allows me to get things get through things very fast. So sometimes when I’m having conversations with my parents, my mom will say, with friends, and I tend to go off on things because I like that. Yeah, I’m just like that identic give lectures just generally for free. Yeah. When, when that happens, I tend to when I get into the flow, but I started talking very, he would just say I’m right, go and just slow down. And the reason I tend to do that is because when I’m talking to them, I’m like, I don’t know if I’m going to provide value for them, either in the form of information, entertainment, or not particularly funny. So that one’s like the windows or some kind of information that they can potentially use to, you know, create some kind of paradigm shift where they maybe can implement something in their life or take something into account. If I can’t provide that, then at least I’m just saying it so fast that I’m taking minimum amount of their time. So then, you know, it’s not too bad for them, if they listened to me speaking for 20 minutes instead of 14 minutes, because I was just speaking much faster. Well, then at least they only wasted 20 minutes instead of 40. Whereas then if only if I spoke faster, for 20 minutes, and they got useful information from it, then it’s a win win. And yeah, I think that’s just the main thing. So I was just thinking sometimes, like, Listen, listen to these podcast episodes. Like, do

Daniel Redfearn  03:16
listening back to them, sometimes.

Subaan Qasim  03:17
I mean, I need to edit them. So I do have to look at all go through most of it. But the thing is, again, I’m editing at two times speed. You become accustomed to it very quickly. Yeah. So I’ll just take ups take out some random things in the middle with it’s just like, you know, something messed up. But yeah, that’s why I’m just like, Okay, what do people actually take value out of? Because see if I’m, we’ve had many times see back when we were studying for GCSEs and stuff. Well, I wasn’t really studying much. We would have our eight hour FaceTime calls.

Daniel Redfearn  03:52
Do you remember that? The ethics? Yeah, yeah.

Subaan Qasim  03:55
How much do we talk almost zero. Yeah. And it was just kind of a piece of company. Right? Yeah. Just like the camaraderie basically, if you’re doing your work on, meant to be doing my work been probably just watching a YouTube video. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So there’s just that kind of camaraderie, that kind of, and that’s where the value is in that situation. But I only have that with very few people where I can just kind of sit with them in silence. But I do that with my mom, kind of like in the morning. We say, like breakfast, I’m just sitting, she just, but I’m really, I’m getting a lot of value out of it yet. Even though we’re not talking or exchanging information. But when I’m with other people, at least when probably not that I’m not at that level with most people to just be able to kind of sit with them and just kind of keep going. I don’t mind doing that. But I don’t know if they liked it. Because I don’t think most people probably do they want to be doing something. We’re talking about something. I guess that’s why a lot of people just kind of small talk because they feel like they should be doing something. Whereas I’m like, Huh, I if I am going to talk I should at least provide but it’s a big I go by where? If I’m talking, I should provide some kind of value. Otherwise, it’s better for me to just shut up and sit in silence. Yep. And yeah, so

Daniel Redfearn  05:08
I’ve got two things to say on that vein. The first one is in the context of a conversation with someone. So, for example, when you say that you speed up, I have a friend who does that a lot. Okay, where he ends up speaking, I noticed that so when I’m with him is the is a carbon copy of what you described, if you were sewn, you know? Well, he knows me very well. So between us, he speaks quite slowly. As soon as someone new he speaks extremely quickly, quite a lot. Really? Yeah, he speeds up.

Subaan Qasim  05:37
I wonder if I do that?

Daniel Redfearn  05:38
I think from my experience, you might do that as well, when he’s explaining something he’s not speaking extremely quickly, like, you know, like that. And people can sometimes miss what he’s saying. I think, for him, in some ways, from we’ve talked about it is a bit related to confidence in what you’re saying, thinking whether that person wants to be listening to what you’re saying. But I think for you, you’re talking about value, I guess it’s kind of a different way of saying the same thing. And that, yeah, you don’t want that person to be sitting there not wanting to have the conversation, but you want to just finish the point. So you’ll speak that at the best compromise speeding up, instead of speaking slowly. And, you know, I guess it saves time. The that’s what, what I do personally, is I usually preface it, where I’ll say, today with your brother, well, I’ll say like, um, do you mind if we have this conversation? Yeah,

Subaan Qasim  06:28
it was just one more question.

Daniel Redfearn  06:30
Yeah, that’s my favorite. Just one last question.

Subaan Qasim  06:33
And then just one last last question.

Daniel Redfearn  06:34
Yeah. This is part of the last question, part two. But yeah, so that’s what I was just going to quickly say about that. I think I do something similar. But I’m more preface. Everything I’m gonna say the only thing is that if you don’t know someone very well, you’re relying on them to be honest, and say, I don’t really want to talk about this, which I think most people probably don’t. Yeah, I try. And I try and, you know, establish, like a sort of scenario where they’re comfortable saying that, but I suppose it doesn’t have to. The thing is,

Subaan Qasim  07:00
if you also are Did you mind, if I just talk about this, they aren’t gonna say no, it unless there’s some like, if you were to ask me something, and then I would just be like, no, cb,

Daniel Redfearn  07:08
that’s that’s when it’s ideal, though, because I wanted to talk to you about something I learned about angiography, like a certain mountain range I’d never seen before. You may just not want to talk about that. So I’d say like, I don’t know, I do that with my mom sometimes where I’ll say, do you want to talk about this? And she’ll just go No, right now. Perfect. Yeah. And I’ll be like, you know what, fair enough. Yeah. And now I know, but I’ll bring it out next time. I made a note. He said

Subaan Qasim  07:33
not right now. But yeah.

Daniel Redfearn  07:34
And the last thing just quickly,

Subaan Qasim  07:37

Daniel Redfearn  07:38
Yeah, there’s a preface. The second point was about watching the videos at different speeds because I thought that was very interesting. You introduced it to me really the Chrome extension where you can speed up a video yeah, massively, just

Subaan Qasim  07:50
just in case people don’t know basically, on YouTube, most people probably know now that you can speed up videos on YouTube or slow them down if you need to. But on if you use Chrome or any kind of chromium based browser based browser, like Firefox, chromium based I don’t know, I don’t think is, but maybe opera brave. And yeah, basically, you can get an extension called video playback controller or something. And you can just basically change to whatever speed you want in like naught point one increments, you can set the shortcuts as well. So my G key on any video, if I’m watching an Instagram video on my computer, I can speak from watching a video on WhatsApp computer

Daniel Redfearn  08:29
can change the speed. There’s my G keys when I press g it goes straight to that speed that I like, videos on 1.8 2.2 duple. Point two Oh, you said you’ve sped up use big flag.

Subaan Qasim  08:40
Yeah, mine’s actually still on to because the thing is, I usually go straight to around 3x. But when I press G or go back to 2x Yeah, that means if I needed to, so that and then when I press G or go back to Zeus, bam, D.

Daniel Redfearn  08:53
Now we’re just

Subaan Qasim  08:54
basically this all makes sense. If you actually like take the shortcut, like know the shortcuts of the program. But yeah, I highly recommend that if you don’t know about it already. But yeah, sorry, carry on.

Daniel Redfearn  09:03
So, obviously, there are okay, what I found from it, I do agree with some people who say you shouldn’t speeding up videos can be bad, and a lot of ways completely agree. Certain videos, for example, for example, I would never speed or slow down music ever. Yeah, that would be criminal. And most, a lot of videos, they’re just not meant to be sped up or slowed down. But for me, I find videos where I know, you train yourself, right? You get used to watching a video at a quicker speed. And you get used to sort of filtering it like filtering out what’s useful from it, especially on a topic that you know quite well and it’s more a concept. So it’s not just raw numbers and dates. So if I’m watching a history video, I do have to watch it more slowly to absorb it properly. But again, if it’s a topic I know well, and it’s more of a concept. Then, you know, it’s been I can speed up and as you said, you can go back and watch things again. So I think there are big benefits and also videos of stuff. I don’t really want to watch But I just want to see what happens or something. So yeah, a lot of videos on like Reddit or Twitter or something, it’s very useful to just stick on double speed and see what happens when that person gets on the bus or whatever it

Subaan Qasim  10:09
is. Yeah. I mean, the thing is, is that it’s like what kind of defines the value in different scenarios? Because I guess, especially in something so the reason I was feeling so strongly to speeding up these podcasts is because the value in the podcast is what the person is hearing. And it’s a big privilege to be in someone’s is basically just be spewing my random thoughts or ideas that I have or opinions. So I want to make sure it’s valuable or if not, if it’s not valuable to them, then at least they can get through quickly. So yeah, that’s why I was like, Huh, if a lot of people don’t actually speed up the videos, and a lot of the people I know, tend to really not. Then I was like, man, should I just say that person the potential, like waste of time just by 1.5? I think most people can just comprehend 1.5 times speed. Yeah. Or at least take some getting used to for maybe like the first minute, but then after that, you get very used to it. The best example I can think of from recent recently to me is

Daniel Redfearn  11:16
yesterday, remember, I told you about hepatitis? When I was learning. So this is a random topic in med school that I knew about, for example, I didn’t really understand it very well. But I had the context, right? I knew about hepatitis. So my point in this example is that you can learn how to speed up videos and like, when is a good time to speed up, slow down, go back. It’s a bit of a, there’s a bit of a knack to it. And I’m a lot more comfortable doing it now, where with that video, it was a 45 minute lecture on hepatitis just on one of those YouTube God, like, teachers.

Subaan Qasim  11:51
And yeah, Armando

Daniel Redfearn  11:53
this guy. No, no, no. Big plug from this guy was Ninja, something that is Oh,

Subaan Qasim  11:59
Ninja nerd sighs that dude is a genius. He just gets his drawings are so good, man. Anyway,

Daniel Redfearn  12:07
anyway, so I watched his 45 minute video on on hepatitis. As I said, it’s a topic I know, well, so I was able to watch it on 1.6 1.7. But then there was nothing stopping me when he got down to the some of the details. In the pathophysiology, I would just slow down to one or you know, 1.2, and then speed it up again. And a good was the word for a good luck, um, yardstick for how much how well that system works is today. Like, I woke up, I went back over the stuff. And I learned it very well, thankfully, from last night. So I’d retained it, you know, because I always had that hunch, if you’re watching it quickly. I feel like you’re not taking it in the same way. But again, this is an example of something I knew about. And I retained it really well. So today, it’s stuck. So you know, yeah,

Subaan Qasim  12:52
I think a lot of people don’t appreciate how much we can actually take in just because you aren’t actively concentrating and focusing on every word, or every single piece of information doesn’t mean your brain doesn’t take in.

Daniel Redfearn  13:02
So during a lecture of that length, would you be actively focused the whole time? Or do you kind of I kind of zone out a little bit like I’m falling? And then I really focus in every couple of minutes?

Subaan Qasim  13:12
Yeah, I’m like that? Well, it depends. I haven’t really listened or watched lectures in a while, because in year four, you don’t really have many lectures. Well, actually, you do. But so seeing in first and second year, where I was making flashcards and every single part, I was diligently going through every single sentence, the lecturer was saying and making sure I could encapsulate that into a flashcard. Somehow, I was in fourth year where we’ve had lectures have been more just allegedly, like in a more leisurely kind of fashion, just listening to them. And also we listen, listening to them at two times speed. I mean, I’d be there live sometimes, well, most of the time, I’d be there live, but then I wouldn’t really pay much attention just because it’s too slow to keep me engaged. Because at least when it’s faster, like when it is faster, I do have to pay more attention to actually make sure I take everything Yeah. Because if you can miss because now if you miss five seconds, you’ve missed 10 if you miss 30 seconds, you’ve missed a minute, that’s a lot of information gone. So you know, when when I’m watching it back at me, it forces me to just kind of pay more attention naturally. So even if I do miss something for like, say 10 seconds, I might not even realize but my brain will take it in, I do trust my brain. And most people’s brain can just take the information in, people just probably don’t trust it enough. If you if you kind of passively absorb the information with passively absorbing so much information and stuff that we don’t even realize, and when we go to sleep, we’ll kind of organize it. And you know, file it all and to make sense of it when we sleep as long as you get enough like REM sleep and non REM sleep, but yeah, so that’s why, like, I just feel like forcing our our listeners, just please at least listen to 1.5 times speed. But yeah, it just comes down to the question where, yeah, the value we’re providing in these podcasts is if you you know might find our opinions or ideas interesting. Whereas, say if I’m in person with someone I know Well, I can sit in silence and just talk to them or talk to them at a very allegedly pace or stutter and think and just think for like five minutes and then reply and stuff. Yeah, and it doesn’t matter because part of the value, a lot of the value is just ingrained in us just sitting like next to each other and just spending time with each other. Whereas with a podcast is different. It’s about what you’re listening to.

Daniel Redfearn  15:17
One thing I can’t listen to, on a faster speed, though, is sport. That’s just a random point. I was just thinking about it. I never ever watched sport as well on anything other than one times just normal speed. Yeah.

Subaan Qasim  15:29
So do you know corridor crew on YouTube? Busy there is like a VFX visual effects and video editing group. They make some really good videos and like visual effects artists react videos and stunt men react videos or, and they react to like certain and they break down the kind of process of certain stunts or certain visual effects shots, they get industry professionals and everything really interesting. Because it’s visual effects based. I want to see the visual effects, especially like stunts, I want to see them falling at a certain speed. I want to see it two times. Because it’s hard to encapsulate the physics. Yep. Those are probably the only videos on YouTube that I watch at one time speed. Yeah, that makes sense. I don’t think I’ve watched anything else. One times.

Daniel Redfearn  16:11
Very interesting. Okay, so for this shelf, what was episode?

Subaan Qasim  16:16
Oh, yeah, this was basically a shower thoughts episode, where we, it’s just kind of a random thought that I’ve had in the show, you know, the random like life, like life changing thoughts you have in the shower. Yeah. And you’re like, Ha, man, I need to discuss this. And so that’s kind of the concept of these kind of shorter episodes, where we don’t go too far, we just kind of go straight into it, and just spew out random stuff about the particular concept. I think we came to a conclusion.

Daniel Redfearn  16:39
The conclusion is just get gay basically, extension. Yeah, go now to your laptop.

Subaan Qasim  16:46
Yeah, and this is basically a PSA to download a podcast app where you can speed up our podcast and just speed up and just practice maybe listening to stuff at high speed, because you’re just hedging yourself against lack of value. Right. And I, I don’t really see much argument against it, especially since you can just change up and down so quickly,

Daniel Redfearn  17:05
as long as you know, yourself. And you know, again, just from my own, like, this is anecdotal. But knowing what sort of videos you’re able to watch at a bit of a faster speed to get more from so depends on obviously, what personally works for you. And it takes time to learn, you know, what topics you can listen to at a faster speed and still get something from it. And then also, knowing when you’ve got to the end of the video, how much value you you’ve actually taken from it, sometimes I’ll watch a video. And I’ll think, especially with the sort of like, um, some of the geography videos and some of the, like, battles like, you know, I don’t know, yeah, some history, some historical battle, I get to the end of it. And I realize, if I was watching a 1.5, I wasn’t fully understanding what was going on. But yeah, you just have to know in your, in your, in your,

Subaan Qasim  17:49
if I’m distracted, I read that way, I don’t really pay attention to any of that, then I’ll just kind of watch the video. Again, I watch it like 1.5 times, but I’m not really taking too much time. So if I’m watching it two times speed on real way, I didn’t take any of that in. If I just watch it again, it seems odd to me, but make sure I pay attention. I’ve just spent the same amount of time that someone would have spent just watching at once. Yeah, yeah. And I think people should just really listen to things one faster than one time speed, especially with the amount of information and stuff you can go through these days. But it kind of makes sense to make sure you can kind of expose yourself and get through a lot of content, especially when learning a new thing, because and this is gonna go off on to a different tangent. But I think one of the biggest hurdles with kind of getting past that flat spot the sigmoid curve, when learning something is just being able to get the basics quick enough. That’s sort of flat bit at the bottom. If you just get churned through loads of like random summary videos or beginners introduction to a particular concept, get through that really quickly, then suddenly, you’re over that little slump at the beginning. And then you can just go straight into the steep part. And that steep part is probably going to have things that are more difficult, where you can kind of spend more time because you’ve got that momentum.

Daniel Redfearn  18:58
That’s finally true. That’s really true. I’m not going off on another tangent that I’m sticking on this tangent. But that was the hepatitis thing yesterday, again, because it’s just the most recent example, I watched three or four videos before that, at 1.5 times speed, two times speed, where they were just giving an overview, but it was the same overview. Like it’s habitats just from a very slightly different angle. So I was learning something new from each video. But because they were faster, it didn’t feel like I was wasting time as much. So I was losing a bit of content, like a little bit of retaining knowledge from it, because I was watching watching multiple videos I was taking and then I was taking them in still. But yeah, just from different angles. I thought it was really useful. It worked really well. And then I watched finally the ninja ninja times they stuck. It really stuck. So yeah.

Subaan Qasim  19:43
Yeah. Because again, like you say, even if you missed out certain bits of knowledge, it would have been mentioned somewhere else in in those more complex videos. And your brain will resurface and you’re like, Oh, that’s familiar. Yeah, even though you can’t really tell. And then when you sleep on something like it will just kind of make sense. So I guess that that kind of encapsulates with learning and with in person conversations and especially with someone that’s close to you and you’re comfortable with, you can just kind of sit in silence and the speed aspect isn’t the and then I guess, because I listened to so many things at such fast speeds. I just think that’s normal. So it’s like, I feel like I’m speaking really sorry, even just said, that speeds around like, oh, man, I need speed up. And it kind of gives me a Sophos a sense of proficiency, or I know what I’m talking about in the sense of confidence, just because I’m just speaking faster, if that makes sense. But I know it’s not right. So that’s why recently, because we’ve been saying, I’ve been speaking so fast. I’ve been trying, like, at certain times, I’ve been trying to slow down actively, but also my friend as well, it’s a dilemma.

Daniel Redfearn  20:40
I can see him doing it, because he told me to always signal to him, sometimes. He’s going so I’ll just look at him. And that that leads me to think of a question that I want to ask the audience in that. Do you have you noticed that you speak more quickly? Or more slowly with different people? Yeah, so so around whom does your speed increase? And around whom does it decrease? Because for me, certainly, when I’m speaking to certain people were varies massively. And I think that’s a very normal thing. So we kind of do it ourselves without realizing, and we tailoring it to that person. Yeah. So you know, with me that, for example, I’m very stupid. So you have to, that’s why you speak super slow with me.

Subaan Qasim  21:26

Daniel Redfearn  21:27
But then when you’re speaking with someone very clever, you know, you speed up. So yeah, I guess that’s something that we subconsciously do. I definitely do it all the time. And, yeah, it’s about ascertaining how much value they’re gonna take from the conversation, how quickly you need to speak, to either keep their interest, or make it a valuable conversation for them. And it’s something that we probably don’t think about all the time, but we’re just doing subconsciously.

Subaan Qasim  21:51
Yeah. And I think going from that is, is probably Easy enough with people, you know, because you can either ask them straight up or to modify, just talk about this, they will say yes, or no, if they’re comfortable with you, or just, you know, good friends or whatever. But the hard part is, when you’re meeting someone new, or someone you’re not so well acquainted with, yeah, then how’d you kind of figure out whether they’re taking values or something, I haven’t really actively paid attention to this, although I should, in terms of trying to figure out by either their body language, what kind of body language is or just their facial expressions as to whether they are actually taking value from you or not? I think the thing I think is probably the most obvious is if they’re asking questions.

Daniel Redfearn  22:28
I agree with the asking questions. I think body language is a very big thing. People do a lot of things in conversation that they’re not aware of even you do.

Subaan Qasim  22:36
Yeah, yeah, I know.

Daniel Redfearn  22:36
I can tell when you’re when you’re done with me talking. very obvious cues. I

Subaan Qasim  22:41
wonder what I do know, but don’t don’t don’t own a car.

Daniel Redfearn  22:44
I could tell you. There might be interest. Okay. Yeah, I actually do. It’s like when you tell them about the blinking and stuff, it will make you a bit aware of it. But yeah, a big thing that you do that I noticed, and a few other people who know very well, is that you’ll sometimes you’ll break eye contact more. Because you’re not able to fake focus. So I’m like,

Subaan Qasim  23:03
Oh, right. Oh, oh, okay. So I can’t fake the interest. That’s interesting.

Daniel Redfearn  23:08
I think it’s, as in your battery’s running out of interest for the conversation. Yeah. So many people do i do i, sometimes I catch myself doing it. Or if you’re speaking and I think of something, I want to say, you know, that that thing that happens, where, you know, I’m trying to catch my eye on to say something now, I’ll let him finish? Yeah, when I do that, I’ll break eye contact with you. I’ll sort of look away, I’ll try and retain what I’m thinking about. And yeah, because the interest is in, you know, not taking in as much information from what you’re saying. So I always look at what they’re looking out looking looking at. If they’re, if they’re maintaining eye contact, if their body language is focused on me, you can kind of after a while you can feel it. Yeah. So that’s a big thing. And obviously, as you said, asking questions, that’s a clear sign of engagement as well. And the nature of the questions, you know, it’s questions that are building on what you’re saying instead of just reaffirming it, because often people reaffirm things to you to show that they’re listening. But if you’re really listening, you probably got things to say.

Subaan Qasim  24:04
And it’s like trying to seek more information related to and build some kind of story out of all that central thing. I’m going to pay more attention to that. I think that wraps up nicely. We’ll just leave it there. The aim of these kinds of shower thoughts episode is to keep it under 30 minutes, because you probably don’t spend longer than 30 minutes in the shower. Well,

Daniel Redfearn  24:21
somebody would. Yeah,

Subaan Qasim  24:22
but I don’t know. Yeah. It’s probably more enjoyable to spend more than 30 minutes, but yeah, for us, the hot water runs out after 30 minutes anyway, even if it’s like full tank, just so I guess it’s a good time. Oh, it’s

Daniel Redfearn  24:35
like your camera.

Subaan Qasim  24:36
Yeah, exactly. Camera. That’s the main thing. So yeah, this is actually our first episode we’ve actually recorded in person, rather than just putting waveforms on YouTube. So yeah, if you want to check that out, it’ll be on YouTube. link in the show notes. You can type in Getting It podcast on YouTube, but we’re so small, it just probably doesn’t come up. Well. I know it doesn’t.

Daniel Redfearn  24:54
What I do is I type in Getting It cause or Getting

Subaan Qasim  24:59
It come up Yeah. Whoa, no way, Google or YouTube, on YouTube. Oh, okay, fine, but either way links in the show notes for your ease, and we’ll just leave it. Like, leave it at that. Okay. Peace, peace. Thank you for listening to this episode of Getting It. If you enjoyed this episode or didn’t

Daniel Redfearn  25:17
then feel free to leave us a rating and review on the apple podcast app or on the apple podcast website.

Subaan Qasim  25:24
We’d love to hear your thoughts, ideas or questions about anything we discussed, so feel free to email us at thoughts at Getting It docker.uk

Daniel Redfearn  25:31
You can also reach us on Twitter or Instagram at Getting It

Subaan Qasim  25:34
underscore pod. You can find all the links in the show notes