What Makes a Good First Impression? – Shower Thoughts ep. 02

Show Notes

First impressions have a big impact on the relationships we have with people we meet. But what makes a good first impression?

First impressions can make a huge impact on the relationships you have with people so it’s important to try and think about the aspects involved in first impressions. We try to get to the bottom of some of the important aspects that influence a person’s first impression of you. Things like posture, facial expressions, physical appearance, body language, and more.

In Shower Thoughts we overthink those random questions and life-changing thoughts we frequently have in the shower and maybe come to a conclusion, all in a casual conversation.

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Transcript

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Daniel Redfearn  00:04
Good evening.

Subaan Qasim  00:06
Good evening Dan.

Daniel Redfearn  00:09
Yeah. I don’t know why I don’t know why I made it so dramatic. I actually, I think the light had more reason with that. Yeah. So on this episode, I just wanted to talk about first impressions. It’s because recently, my friend pointed out to me in a nice way, that my posture isn’t amazing. And it’s like, um, for me, it’s a, I think, honestly, it’s just a bit laziness, like, I haven’t trained it. So if I’m not thinking about it, when I’m walking around, or even when I’m studying, I’m hunched over a lot of the time. And yeah, I don’t know, I just, there’s something I need to improve. So what we have is like a little joke where we just, we’re doing something we’re out on the street. And we’ll just say, like, posture, check, mobile. Okay, and the crap check a few years ago, is like that posture check. So we’ll be on the tube. Yeah. And I’ll just be like, I don’t know, holding on, and then he’ll just be like, yes. And I guess things like that matter when you’re meeting someone for the first time? Yeah, of course, those small things, change how you perceive someone, the way they carry themselves. I think that’s pretty common knowledge. But it got me thinking reasonably, when I do meet someone for the first time, what are the things that I do that affect their opinion of me straightaway? I’ve heard that in the first five seconds of meeting so on a massive proportion of their opinion of you has already formed straightaway, from the tone of your voice, the way you greet them. Those first interactions do go and shake their hand. Well, no one shakes hands these days, but the way you’re dressed, you know, like, how well kept you look. So yeah, I was thinking, what are the most important elements of how you carry yourself? When you meet someone? Could you quantify it? Could you define it? The different parts of like, you know, someone’s perception of you? You could go into dress sense,

Subaan Qasim  01:57
what each 10%? There’s 10%?

Daniel Redfearn  01:59
Yeah, you could almost make 20%. So, yeah, that’s what I was gonna say, like, when your meetings on? Is there anything in particular that you’re conscious of when you’re making a first impression?

Subaan Qasim  02:16
It’s funny that you mentioned posture, because that is probably one of the most, that’s the first thing that comes to mind. And that’s the one that I actively, you know, act on. Yeah. No, I guess, I, I’m quite aware of my posture a lot of the time. And I usually notice that I’m slouching quite quickly or something. But I think when you’re meeting someone for the first time, even when you just walk into a room, see for an interview, your posture is going to have a big effect on how you kind of come across. Because your posture can either like portray confidence or just you know, shyness or something, depending on the situation, as well. If you’re going into an interview, you’d probably want to, you know, have nice upright posture look confident. And I know I think any, anyone with a normal posture, just they look more confident, happy, brighter in every single way, is when you see them kind of walking, see them? Well, if you’re just walking down the street, most people have terrible posture. I mean, me included me included. Yeah. But you just see them stick out like a sore thumb because it makes you taller as well. And you can tell that it’s not just that they’re tall. It’s just that they’re straight. They might actually be short, but they look taller than people who are taller than them just because they’re slouched over.

Daniel Redfearn  03:37
Yeah, I bet Hi, well, I’m certain that height has a big impact on your posture as well. You know, if you do happen to be a bit on the shorter end, I can imagine that the posture really helps. You know, it really helps when you’re projecting yourself, just come across in a different light. Or if you’re tall, I can imagine, you know, people who are 6667, like really tall, end up slouching over so much more. And you and I were kind of in the middle of the pack, just, you know, yeah. But again, I think that the reason why, for me is mainly just laziness. You know, I don’t have the I don’t know, I’m just when I don’t think about it, I just slouch. But there’s another thing I was going to say. When I’m in conversation with someone. Often when I’m really interested in the conversation. I lean forward, especially when we’re sitting down, when I’m interested in something, it’s like a reflex. I lean into it. I’m like, I like shroud over it. And that’s the right word, but it’s the same thing when I’m studying. Like, I can study, I can sit there and study, you know, like, upright and everything. But sometimes I don’t know. You know, I’m talking about when you just you, you kind of curl up and when I’m having a good conversation. This it’s like you can tell if I’m enjoying it. If we were talking right now and I was really interested. I often would would move up my knee and I’m leaning on my knee. I’m literally Yeah, the microphone can’t hear me. No, but I’m talking like this.

Subaan Qasim  04:58
Yeah. I changed my posture a lot. Yeah, like you said it the link, I don’t lean in specifically, but I’m more lean on something. I think it’s just so that I don’t have to concentrate on the holding of my body, I can let my body relax and put that extra brainpower into whatever I’m paying attention on. In that moment, I mean, that’s probably not what what I’m doing is probably just, I just kind of forget about my posture. So I just kind of slouch and figure like leaning on something. But

Daniel Redfearn  05:29
the more I think about it, the more I realized my posture really affects what really indicates how interested I am in a conversation. Because I’m not just doing it for myself, I think subconsciously, I’m showing you that I’m interested in the conversation. So if I’m having a meeting with my personal tutor, or a supervisor at uni, I, I’ve noticed that a few times, I’m, I’m leaning for a lot of the time, not weirdly, you know, I’m not like off my chair, but I’m just I’m leaning forward and I’m unconsciously sort of I don’t know, I think there’s a conscious element to it. Where, yeah, I’m showing that I’m interested, I’m showing that I’m engaged in it. And yeah, I think if you’re sitting with your back straight very neutrally, though you’re not. You can communicate, you’re interested, obviously, in a million different ways. But that’s one way that I like to show someone, I’m interested in what we’re talking about my body language. And in fact, when I get really interested in a conversation, I will notice that I subconsciously change my posture to kind of say to them, instead of going, right now we’re having a great conversation, our show in my body language, I’ll kind of make myself get comfortable. Or I’ll show them like, you know, here we go like this. Yeah, I’m really interested now. And I think it’s a nice thing to give someone like it’s a nice, like, subtle movement, which shows your interest. So yeah, I think having great posture is obviously extremely important. You know, when you’re walking down the street, when you’re working, you always need to be careful your back and how you come across to people. But you can use your posture. And I don’t know, the position of your body to show interest in a conversation. I think you can say a lot with it.

Subaan Qasim  07:03
Yeah, I think it was a naturally happens. There was another meme as well, I think he showed it to me. Where is is in the garden, there’s two classic garden monoblock chairs, the plastic ones, right next to each other, just facing each other. You’re like, man, I want to know what they were talking about. Yeah, that point, you just kind of lean into each other. Like, there’s just a sense of just, I guess, intimacy at that point, just in terms of Yes, like the conversation where it’s going or how deep it’s getting while personal or vulnerable you’re getting,

Daniel Redfearn  07:36
but I do want to preface it. By sort of the stopwatch went. We didn’t know how long we’ve been. Okay. I do want to preface it with two things. Number one, I want to say that is you obviously should never be thinking about it. So I’m I’m saying a lot of these things reflectively like retrospectively, I don’t consciously think, okay, now you lean forward now, because that’s robotic, and I don’t know, it takes away from what’s nice about human interaction, just have a conversation, just enjoy someone’s company. So if anyone’s listening to this, I wouldn’t want to suggest that you ever deliberately move in or you deliberately change your sight? You’re you know, but I realized that that’s something I personally do is I changed my posture based off of interesting conversation. And I think, in a way, it indicates to them what I’m thinking as well or how I’m feeling. That’s one thing. It’s just like a quick sort of disclaimer. And then the second thing is, in a medical context is interesting, because I know people in my class, who I haven’t myself, fortunately, but I know people who’ve been told off in Oscars for leaning into much into the patient. And it made me really think because again, if I’m having an like, when I say interesting, if I’m having an engaging conversation with a patient where I’m taking a very focused history, we’re speaking for a long time, I can imagine that I end up I end up sitting in quite a lot. The religious focus in you know, it’s the same thing as before. But yeah, that person I’m speaking about, she was torn off because they said that it came across as nervous, which I thought was quite interesting.

Subaan Qasim  09:15
I don’t know if I agree with it, things I’d kind of see leaning in, as I won’t, I wouldn’t see it as nervous. I agree. I think nervous would be more kind of, you know, going back into yourself slouching down into yourself, your shoulders curling into you. So because your nervousness and shyness are very similar to each other back.

Daniel Redfearn  09:34
Yeah, I agree with that. But it might also to be might also be related to how she was speaking. Okay. And the other thing is that it makes the patient they said that it made the patient feel a little bit uncomfortable, in a way because again, you’re it makes sense. you encourage them

Subaan Qasim  09:55
there was that feedback from the patient. The

Daniel Redfearn  09:57
All I know is that from the person that was that they were just telling me their feedback. So that was the feedback they receive. I’m not sure if it was the patient or the examiner. But yeah, it was an interesting point. And I’ve always remembered that it was that was a while ago now is about 18 months ago. But yeah. When when you’re interacting in a medical context, I think how you position your body, you do have to be more neutral, I don’t think you should be showing that you’re interested in a conversation or that, I don’t know you’re disinterested, your job almost is to be a lot, a lot more neutral. I wouldn’t want to be leaning in in the same way. So what we’re talking about when I’m having a good conversation, and I’m into it, I wouldn’t I would consciously Try not to do that too much in a medical medical context. So yeah.

Subaan Qasim  10:45
As point where I don’t actively take part in, don’t, don’t sit and think about, oh, should I try leaning in at this point? Instead of doing that, it’s probably it might be a good practice to notice it on other people. So say, if you’re just in a conversation, oh, man, there’s a good conversation. Just try and go like snap, like back into kind of conscious level of thinking, and just be like, oh, what’s their body posture? Like, is it leaned in? Or is it? What is it like, if you start picking up patterns, you can maybe start seeing, oh, this kind of matches up to when, at least when if the conversation is interesting, or something, or at least when they seem to be engaged, and then you can kind of get some kind of template for it.

Daniel Redfearn  11:26
It’s an odd thing, reflecting on social interactions, because yeah, I try not to do it too much. Because obviously, then you become self explanatory, you become too self aware. And it takes away from the natural element of having a social interaction. But at the same time, obviously, we always want to improve. And that’s something that a lot of people want to do is improve the way they interact, improve the impressions they make on people.

Subaan Qasim  11:50
Yeah, and we spend like 90 90% of our time in well, depends, when I’m studying, I’m just stuck away in the library or my room. But a lot of our life, a lot of our daily lives, livelihood, and everything working, is all spent interacting with other humans, even if you’re working, say, a telephone job, still interacting with other humans, there’s just, you know, no visual element to it. But yeah, so whilst Yeah, it shouldn’t be, it shouldn’t become very conscious, where you start using all these techniques, or paying attention to what you’re doing and trying to change the situation. It shouldn’t be, you know, manipulated with like that. Sometimes you can experiment with one or two things, if you’re trying to specific things, say with public speaking or something, you want to try a new technique. But in a normal conversation, you it’s probably best not just yeah, it takes the fun out of just a natural conversation, but noticing it, and just, when you’re on your own, just analyzing it thinking about it is a good thing to do. Because then you will become a better person, a better person in conversation, a better storyteller, or whatever. Because whenever we have compensation, what we’re just telling is usually just stories, yeah. So you’ll just be able to have more insight in that way. And then, you know, maybe just notice, oh, what was what’s that person doing at this time, just randomly in your head, you don’t pick out or try to change anything about it. It’s just, you’re just taking these data points, and then later on, you just kind of collect them and analyze them later.

Daniel Redfearn  13:20
It’s a funny thing. Yeah, I don’t know the way. Maybe the way that is good to do is you you, you figure out something you want to improve, and you try and implement it. But you get to the point where you’re just doing it subconsciously, I suppose that’s what people want to do when they’re trying to pick up a new traits or say, they want to be more charismatic. I know someone who told me they want to be more charismatic. So they’ve read a few books about it. They’ve learned about certain techniques. All the while, I could be thinking that you’re that you’re creating a false image of yourself, if you’re deliberately having your body in a certain way talking about certain things. I initially thought, well, you’re being someone else. But I guess the point is, you reach a point, when you’re just doing that, subconsciously, you just are like that. And I suppose we’re always changing ourselves slightly. We always notice a trait. I don’t know. I need to be more patient. So that reminds me of when we did that. Patients thing for your the

14:27
patients. No, no, that was versus

Daniel Redfearn  14:29
I sorry, folks. But yeah, so yeah, I don’t know I all I’m saying at this point is that I’m a supporter of consciously changing things about how you come across to improve yourself. As long as I don’t know, as long as you’re doing it for the right reasons. And as long as you’re not, I don’t know, as long as you don’t stop enjoying interactions with people because you’re just thinking about how you are and yeah, should become natural.

Subaan Qasim  14:53
Yeah, if you get to that point that defeats the whole purpose of analyzing it, even reading books, watching videos going to their courses. And, you know, workshops on this kind of stuff to even just for a normal interaction or say, public speaking or interviews and stuff like that. So, yeah, if ever gets to the point where you’re just overanalyzing every single conversation you’ve you’ve gone a bit too far. But the thing is, is I, I think that everyone should take some kind of part in it, whether it’s reading a book or watching video. Do you know the channel charisma? Yeah, I’ve

Daniel Redfearn  15:23
been thinking about that.

Subaan Qasim  15:25
I i’ve been, I used to binge their videos, man, like, just about every single topic, I will just watch all their videos. One. I mean, it was pretty engaging video, he’s a good speaker like and the way he like formulates his videos. So I guess they were addictive in that sense. So, you know, the, they were actually doing what they were talking about. But then I did actually start noticing and learning a lot. And I learned a lot of like, you know, persuasion techniques, or how to, you know, cool off an argument and stuff like that. And sometimes I would just run when I’m in that situation on Oh, I remember, like watching a video. Let me just try this one thing. Yeah. And see how it kind of happens. So you’re just kind of throwing out there and seeing if it works, or what happened to it? and analyzing it that way. And then you just kind of make it work for how it works for you, basically. So yeah, that’s, that’s how I’d go about it. But I definitely think everyone should kind of go into and look into it, and study it and try and implement new things.

Daniel Redfearn  16:22
I’m a big, big fan of reflection. I think that’s really important. And of course, we all have to be doing that all the time. I just think there’s a way to do it, obviously. And I’m not saying I know the best way, I definitely don’t know the best way to reflect and different things work for each person. But for me, that’s something I certainly do. I reflect on interactions and reflect I try to reflect and interactions. And I try to reflect on how I come across to people. For example, we’re talking a bit about it in the last episode, or a couple of episodes ago, when you share success to someone if you’ve got a good mark and an exam, you know, being careful about how you come across. I think that’s something where when you reflect you can get better at knowing how to act in certain situations. Anyway. I know we’ve got about 12 minutes, thanks to the timer. Yeah. The going back to the original point of the episode, it was first impressions, right? We went on a bit of a tangent. Yeah. So we we can probably agree, you know, your posture is important. That’s one of many important elements. What do you think just off the cuff is another super important thing? I have one or two opinions.

Subaan Qasim  17:36
As a good question, I would think your facial expression?

Daniel Redfearn  17:43
Yeah, that’s, that’s a massive one. A Yeah, I was gonna say that. I was gonna say like, your expression plus eye contact, like, yeah, how you face them and how worn you look like, if you you can take so much from that first look at so on. You can figure out so much about them.

Subaan Qasim  18:01
You Yeah, definitely. Yeah, I guess that’s where the whole kind of five second thing comes from, or however long it is? Where I think a lot of it just comes from, yeah, the body, you know, body language, or I guess in that circumstance would be posture. And then the other one would be facial expression in terms of? Are they smiling when they walk in? Do they have? Are they pouting when they walk in? Are they grinning, showing their teeth? Or are they just found? Or do they look confused? Because then that would solve the if they come in looking confused, and you start the conversation, Oh, are you lost or something? Or kind of help you? Whereas if they’re smiling or something, they might even start the conversation? How you doing? or something? It depends on the scenario, right?

Daniel Redfearn  18:48
I’ve just looked at it online, or googled how to create a good first impression. I guess this isn’t this isn’t in the context of the first five seconds. This is just a first interaction with someone. So what you’re saying about even just it whether you’re smiling, and depending on the context, how much you’re speaking, it covers some of them here. Maybe I could go through a few of them. See what you think. So presenting yourself appropriately.

Subaan Qasim  19:15
Your clothing. Massive. Yeah, how would it matter?

Daniel Redfearn  19:19
But I think it’s not just your clothing, obviously. It’s how well catch you look, you know,

Subaan Qasim  19:23
yeah, overall, yeah.

Daniel Redfearn  19:24
This is an example for me again, it’s a bit anecdotal, but quite often, I get periods where I have quite bad skin. And I don’t notice it. I don’t really think about it very much. But a couple of my friends have told me again, it’s something you should actively try and sort out because it affects people’s impression of you. Even a small thing like that. It sounds they don’t say in a mean way. Yeah. Obviously it’s something that no one wants to have, but it’s something that I because I’m so used to it because I had acne since I was like 1213 never bad as well. It wasn’t bad enough where like, I like Damn, this is terrible. So I’ve always had just small kind of spots on my cheeks. But I don’t think about it very much is interesting to think that someone else will notice it on me. But then I, when I think about it, it sounds sort of mean to say, but there are some people are it sounds really mean to say, like, um, you just notice it right? Yeah, you kind of do notice if someone has very bad or very nice skin. Yeah, I don’t know, I feel really bad for even saying that. But

Subaan Qasim  20:27
yeah, no, you do notice it. But I guess then is upon you, whether you take that as a negative trait or a positive trait in whatever circumstance. So yeah, but in general, just being well kept. We had a conversation with you, where you can just kind of have your hair and you just kind of look through all right, whatever length you have out

Daniel Redfearn  20:45
there, you bring your evening out the negatives. Because

Subaan Qasim  20:49
this was a thing from charisma on, come on.

Daniel Redfearn  20:54
We’ve got to start citing.

20:57
Yeah. So

Subaan Qasim  20:59
yeah, just being it like having your hair or I guess it would be different for females in terms of, say, you know, your hair length or how you keep it and stuff. And in certain situations, it might be more appropriate or less appropriate? Or like, professional hairstyle,

Daniel Redfearn  21:17
for example, your hospital that will affect the patient’s opinion of you, or Yeah, that’s true. I suppose it is true. People make judgments even off of your hairstyle, whether you have a beard, whether you don’t have a beard. That’s a very, very well,

Subaan Qasim  21:33
I mean, that’s a classic one and like some people who wear a turban or say have a beard, and you know, they they seem obviously like this Islamic or, you know, Asian, you Sikh or whatever, you know, people are racist towards on these visual appearing edges is the bed. Yeah. Oh, yeah. So, yeah, man, I’ve never really actually kind of thought thought about it that much in terms of how much appearance does actually make, whereas, I mean, it makes sense, because you see someone that Oh, that they’re quite attractive, you notice it instantly, right? Whereas, I guess in normal conversation with just with the people, you usually know,

Daniel Redfearn  22:09
it’s a sad thing, in a way. It’s,

Subaan Qasim  22:12
like very superficial waving,

Daniel Redfearn  22:13
we’re part of it. We’re just two other people in the world. But and we constantly will make little decisions about someone all the time based off of their appearance, but it’s kind of sad to think that someone would have a different opinion of me if I had better skin, or if I had a different hairstyle. Or if I had, if I was three inches shorter or three inches taller, you know? Yeah,

Subaan Qasim  22:34
that’s a touchy subject. That one.

Daniel Redfearn  22:39
Yeah, the highest one that affects again, we’re quite lucky that we’re tall enough. So that is something that I’ve never really thinking about. But

Subaan Qasim  22:46
I think coming from a say natural evolutionary stance, I guess it’s a good indicator of health or status or something. So if you’re talking about 1000 2000 years ago, someone who’s tall, well built, say, No. acne and just, you know, just everything good. They’re just going to be like, well, first of all, they’re pretty healthy, probably a good mate or partner or something. So that’s why you’d be naturally attracted to someone like that

Daniel Redfearn  23:17
interjection Do you think cavemen had acne? Would you reckon we get acne because of our diets? And

Subaan Qasim  23:23
I caveman, caveman acne? We all signs on Reddit? It’s gonna be interesting. on Reddit.

Daniel Redfearn  23:34
This is actually really debatable. That’s interesting, though, it seems unlikely that it existed pre agriculture. Yes. Modern hunter gatherer societies have no acne. Oh, this was actually also like, people like the groups in Papua New Guinea. Yeah,

Subaan Qasim  23:51
okay, I see where they’re coming from. I was gonna say a similar thing. Because a lot of these reactions and stuff well, I guess it is a type of somewhat allergic reaction, I guess in your teenage years. Your hormones do play an effect, but it has to be triggered by something right, as well. So if you’re fairly weak, in terms of say your immune system is me

Daniel Redfearn  24:17
getting close to home, but be careful. So insulin resistance as well, oh,

Subaan Qasim  24:22
yes, I was getting to that. Basically, a lot of the stuff is very insulin resistant. But say, if you’re weak with your immune system, you’re not just going to die. Instead, you have to get infected, you need to trigger you need an infection, right. And then that’s going to you know, overtake your body and then you die or something. So when it comes to say something about your hormones, when you’re a teenager and just going out of work, you’d need some kind of trigger as well to kind of start formulating these minute allergic reactions or immune reactions that are causing acne or whatever. And then I guess when you’re older, when you know your hormones up Probably hopefully stabilized is still going to be external insults that are kind of playing an effect. And when it comes to food, and especially plant foods, every plant food is immunogenic in some way, I guess all foods are absorbing and eating food is quite an IT immunogenic process overall, but especially plant foods, and certain types of cancers, I won’t get into the details, because we don’t have time. But basically, I do agree with it. And then all of these slight kind of flares in, in your immune system just tiny that they can, it’s very easy for it to just present as independence, some people are susceptible to it like that some people will sleepy or absolutely crap afterwards,

Daniel Redfearn  25:46
I found that when I go to London, so during the summer holidays, every year, it’s happened now for four or five years. My skin gets really like quite nice by the end of the summer, or when I say quite nice, acne free. And then when I go back to London and starts again. So it’s probably related to diet, pollution. Yeah, dust and everything else. Yeah. It’s interesting. But anyway, I’ll try and I’ll finish off the list quickly. So just be yourself. It’s a big thing coming across as genuine. Interest conversation, massive. You can note, a lot of the time you can tell when someone’s being a bit fake. And we all do it at certain times. And yeah, I think humans, we have to give each other a lot of credit. You’re good at sussing people out a lot of the time. And I can often tell when I feel someone’s being. I don’t know, not completely honest or not completely genuine, it definitely will affect my impression. Having a winning smile. I think you were saying earlier, obviously it’s contextual. can’t just be beings on a funeral and just burning. Good to see I’m so sorry about your uncle. Yeah, be open and confident. A lot easier said than done. Six,

Subaan Qasim  26:55
use small talk.

Daniel Redfearn  26:56
Our conversations are based on verbal given take in may help you to prepare questions for the person you’re meeting beforehand.

Subaan Qasim  27:06
Yeah, no, I just the thing is small talk is necessary. Like you need to say you know, the greeting, and then how you doing or something or whatever? Or like, Oh, wait, where did you come from today? Or like, Where did you travel from to come to this conference or whatever. But then after that, it should be over and just getting to the meat of it? Well,

Daniel Redfearn  27:26
I suppose as part of being genuine, you know, a lot of small talk, I would argue, isn’t completely genuine. Maybe? I don’t know, it’s a difficult one. We also only have like, a minute and a half. Yeah. So

Subaan Qasim  27:36
we can’t really discuss too much. But I guess just to conclude it, then.

Daniel Redfearn  27:40
I would, I would say I also agree that small talks important as well, in certain calls. Yes, I can see why it’s more talks important. And I definitely engage in it. Be positive, makes sense. Be courteous and attentive. Makes sense? I think they all add up. And yet, as we were saying, I didn’t see the number nine should be posture, or from what we’re talking about for the first half of the episode. Yeah. Yeah, body language. But yeah, it’s just interesting to think about, it’s a bit of a shower thought, you know, it’s like, what, what do I do? Well, what do I not do? Well,

Subaan Qasim  28:08
yeah, because we often have those times where it’s like, oh, man, like I probably made a fool of myself in front of this person, or like, on a first date or something. So how late do you need this? Yeah, I guess we’ll just leave it at that at this point. I guess. It’s just something to think about what makes a good first impression, and it’s going to be different for each people in different contexts. And everything

Daniel Redfearn  28:30
I’m thinking back to when I first met my girlfriend I was about at the time was about 16. So yeah, well, first, and I would love to know, yes, you’re me.

Subaan Qasim  28:39
Yeah. First impressions.

Daniel Redfearn  28:40
Alright. Okay. Um, yeah, that pretty much concludes the episode. So thank you very much for joining me on the shower thought expedition.

Subaan Qasim  28:48
Yeah. And if you have any of your own shoutouts, then let us know. And we’ll leave it that. Peace. Thanks. Thank you for listening to this episode

Daniel Redfearn  28:57
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Subaan Qasim  29:06
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Daniel Redfearn  29:13
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